Will I ever sleep again? NSU V8 concept
Posted by hudson
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Ted Andkilde Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I'm thinking it's kind of academic anyway Andrew, > the NSU is more suited to tarmac and hillclimb > events which are less picky about drivetrains, and > easier on the pocketbook. > > You could also call Anders, get a NASA logbook and > run everybody else's rallys as long as you don't > care about being ineligible for relatively > meaningless series points. > > t Well, I will be completely bankrupt for quite some time after I get the car built period 
On a good note.. I think I've figured out how to mount the engine and transmission in a way that's acceptable & not a billion bucks. V8 made from I4 motor bikes w/ common flat crank.. then mate that to either a Skyline or a Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4 tranny.. point the tranny at the front of the car and put the whole assembly as far towards the front as possible then block off the driveshaft out put that's going to the front (hey could make it 4x4 one day and then run a diff to the back which would have been the one going to the front wheels..
As long as that setup can handle 250-300 ponies.. I've got no worries.. and I've seen skyline trannies on the cheap.. Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
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Ok.. so this is my latest driveline concept.
I have no intentions of finishing this project over night btw 
I am however interested in comments as to feasability and if anyone see's a better/cheaper way to do it. Thanks for any and all feedback as always. Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
Ted Andkilde Super Moderator Location: Windsor, ON, Canada Join Date: 04/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 329 Rally Car: 1968 Mini |
Hmmn, I think the sequential thingy is a waste of time, it's still an h-pattern synchro box with an additional, fragile, lashed up conversion tacked on, it won't shift any faster but it will break easier.
Possibility of 4wd is cool, but the Skyline box looks huge, ungainly and complex, I'd go mid-engined with a VW box, lot's of parts support, cheap, compact, light, available. Second choice would be a Subaru box, but only if you insist on the silly rear-engined config
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Ted Andkilde Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmn, I think the sequential thingy is a waste of > time, it's still an h-pattern synchro box with an > additional, fragile, lashed up conversion tacked > on, it won't shift any faster but it will break > easier. > > Possibility of 4wd is cool, but the Skyline box > looks huge, ungainly and complex, I'd go > mid-engined with a VW box, lot's of parts support, > cheap, compact, light, available. Second choice > would be a Subaru box, but only if you insist on > the silly rear-engined config I was thinking the sequential thingy was the easiest way to get the shift pattern normal. Things I like about the skyline box 1) It's nearly as cheap as they get 2) I can mount it in the middle of the car (better weight distribution) I think if I put the flywheel and clutch at the engine then the whole package will obviously be smaller.. But the input shaft would have a lot more inertia.. don't know if that's a major problem? <--- me being a dumb ass Andrew M Onterrible 30ish Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2009 06:04PM by hudson. |
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BJosephD Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > i vote to keep it NSU, its a rad ride in factory > form, i could not cut it up and shoehorn a > cocksore into one, never. I hear you.. but I've got two and ones got a rotten floor. Cocksore is a new one to me, not really sure what you're driving at.. but it doesn't sound good Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
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Ted Andkilde Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > You can probably get back to a normal H with a > couple of simple pivot changes, even easier if > it's a cable shift box. > > Trivial for the VW box, it's been used > rear-engined, and mid-engined by countless buggy > makers and kit car makers nearly as long as your' > and my combined ages. It also, with numerous mods, > is the basis of the early Hewland boxes -- so > there's no shortage of people who know how to make > it shift with a proper pattern regardless of > mounting position. I don't think the skyline one is a cable shift box. I did some searching and didn't turn anything up. I know the VW boxes are easy and done a lot.. but that's a transaxle and as you see I'm thinking mid mounted transmission with a torque tube
> How common are they in North America? > > How much would it cost to ship one from Japan if > you were in a jam? > > What does it, the diff and attendant mounting > bracketry weigh? > > > 2) I can mount it in the middle of the car > (better > > weight distribution) > > Hmmn, mid-transmissioned, eh? It weighs ~150 lbs apparently.. and I'm thinking of putting it dead smack in the middle of the car torontojdm.com has 4 or more.. although there are different styles and I'd want one with a removable bell housing http://www.torontojdm.com/lite/cart.php?target=product&product_id=3418&category_id=78# > That thing is calling out for a reduced diameter > twin or triple plate clutch, they go cheap on > eBay, check out the guys from the Carolinas who > flog lightly used Nascrap stuff on flea-bay. Gonna have to check that out.. I know the motorcycle motors run big clutch packs. > I can't see that as being much of an issue. Are > you worried about a flywheel effect from the input > shaft? Not really an issue on torque-tube and > transaxle cars like the 944, Alfas, Ferraris, > etc. Yeah I realized this after.. for whatever reason it was making sense the opposite way at the time of the post Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
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This was pretty trick.. The motor lives not far from here.. and it's cool (in pieces, but still cool) Basically the only stock thing on it is the bottom end case.
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