Ok, so,

I saw this:

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/07/31/sesco-air-and-oil-cooled-suzuki-v8-engines/#comments

And thought that's neet.. then I started looking at the NSU some more and measuring..

Oy, yes it would require a fair amount of machining.. but a longitudinal NSU 2-2.6 litre V8... is very very doable...

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

I know it's Rally Anarchy and all but how many threads are you going to start over the NSU? Why not keep it in one thread?

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RallyTaco Wrote:
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> I know it's Rally Anarchy and all but how many
> threads are you going to start over the NSU? Why
> not keep it in one thread?

Good point.. maybe it's because I find the large threads frustrating in general.

At any rate I should dial back the speculatory bench wanking.

Cheers.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

hudson Wrote:
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> At any rate I should dial back the speculatory
> bench wanking.


No, you should build the Sesco V8 and be done with it - pure sex...


t

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Ted Andkilde Wrote:
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> hudson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > At any rate I should dial back the
> speculatory
> > bench wanking.
>
>
> No, you should build the Sesco V8 and be done with
> it - pure sex...

I've already sent an email off to my machinist friend. Hopefully I can get a bottom end machined and the crank & rods modified for something less than mega bucks.

I also found out that the NSU motor is a wrong turn motor, so that also opens up options for transaxles mounted underneath the block and driven with a gear, if the stock transaxle can't be made to work for some reason.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

hudson Wrote:
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> RallyTaco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know it's Rally Anarchy and all but how
> many
> > threads are you going to start over the NSU?
> Why
> > not keep it in one thread?
>
> Good point.. maybe it's because I find the large
> threads frustrating in general.
>
> At any rate I should dial back the speculatory
> bench wanking.
>


Well when you post vids up of those fusckin loon Krautskies positively HAMMERING the car and it SOUNDS pretty damn good, and it SEEMS to go pretty dam good both Axxx and handling, several people have wondered aloud, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF GETTING SOME OLD CAR YOU'RE THROWING AWAY THE ENGINE AND BOX AND REVAMPING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CAR?.

Is the whole point to fuck with the car?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE STOCK MOTOR?

Have you checked availability of stuff?
Have you measured piston and valves for their critical dims in case you neeed to avail yourself of the crossreferencing abilities of the Intrawebz?

I wanna know what motor parts cost.

See it wouldn't look all whacky/wanky if you ALSO posted prices of parts and we could all go YIKES!!!!! and then have some idea WHY? WHY!!!??? WHY!!!!!????? all the wankiness.

Come on der kleine scheiss dinge is fucking intriguing.

Talk about IT.


> Cheers.
>
> Andrew McNally
> Hamilton, ON
> 29

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
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is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Maybe the forum should just be renamed from RallyAnarchy to "Nothing even remotely rally related - build a street car to drive around your wife and dog in the most expensive/time consuming/complicated manner possible forum".

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Well when you post vids up of those fusckin loon
> Krautskies positively HAMMERING the car and it
> SOUNDS pretty damn good, and it SEEMS to go pretty
> dam good both Axxx and handling, several people
> have wondered aloud, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF
> GETTING SOME OLD CAR YOU'RE THROWING AWAY THE
> ENGINE AND BOX AND REVAMPING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE
> CAR?.
>
> Is the whole point to fuck with the car?
>
> WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE STOCK MOTOR?
>
> Have you checked availability of stuff?
> Have you measured piston and valves for their
> critical dims in case you neeed to avail yourself
> of the crossreferencing abilities of the
> Intrawebz?
>
> I wanna know what motor parts cost.
>
> See it wouldn't look all whacky/wanky if you ALSO
> posted prices of parts and we could all go
> YIKES!!!!! and then have some idea WHY? WHY!!!???
> WHY!!!!!????? all the wankiness.
>
> Come on der kleine scheiss dinge is fucking
> intriguing.
>
> Talk about IT.


John,

Everything you could possibly want is available as far as I can tell.

This is probably one of the most comprehensive one stop NSU race fully internetized shops http://www.saelzer-motorsport.de/

Here is the English language catalogue:

http://www.saelzer-motorsport.de/saelzer%20motorsport,%20May%202009%20GB.pdf

As I mentioned before.. I want to explore options.. I'm now at:

Making a 2-2.4L Flat Plane Air Cooled V8 using stock NSU cylinders, pistons, heads, camshafts.. I don't know yet if I could manage to modify a stock crank, but the only difference between the right crank and the stock crank is less counter balance and room for 2 rods at each location.

Stock cams are fine, I just need to take the second firing bank and retard it 90 deg.

Stock timing is fine, the distributer(s) run off the camshaft.

I'm only shooting for 100ish HP, so stock everything that doesn't have to change is fine.

Now I'd like to run it north south.. so I don't know if I can make the original transaxle work.. but, because the NSU motor is counterclockwise/anticlockwise/wrong turn I can take any normal transaxle for a mid mounted engine.. and mount it underneath the block and drive it with 2 gears, so the transaxle will turn the right way.

When it's all said and done.. I end up with a cool sounding air cooled motor that's still a "NSU" motor (I can't speak for any rule book thumpers).

It will sound really cool, have torque, will rev high, look cool, the weight distribution certainly won't be worse.

And if I can get the required machinging done for a reasonable cost, I bet it won't cost more than building a high strung NSU 4 banger.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

JonArmstrong Wrote:
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> Maybe the forum should just be renamed from
> RallyAnarchy to "Nothing even remotely rally
> related - build a street car to drive around your
> wife and dog in the most expensive/time
> consuming/complicated manner possible forum".

Jon Too bad I couldn't get the NSU as the ONLY forms of transportation to the inlaws cemented <grin>

Mainly, I want a fun project.. not just something to drive.. and I value this forums opinions and wise ass remarks

Seriously though, the V8 NSU based motor is probably the best option thus far.. it's really not that bad.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

"When it's all said and done.. I end up with a cool sounding air cooled motor that's still a "NSU" motor (I can't speak for any rule book thumpers)."

As Autounion/Audi took over NSU later, why not throw an Audi V8 into it and add a front rad and be done?...

Would not that qualify as having an engine from the same manufacturer?

Or if your after only 100hp, just work the stock engine?
Hillman Imp 998cc are getting 125hp in race form.

impfected Wrote:
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> "When it's all said and done.. I end up with a
> cool sounding air cooled motor that's still a
> "NSU" motor (I can't speak for any rule book
> thumpers)."
>
> As Autounion/Audi took over NSU later, why not
> throw an Audi V8 into it and add a front rad and
> be done?...
>
> Would not that qualify as having an engine from
> the same manufacturer?
>
> Or if your after only 100hp, just work the stock
> engine?
> Hillman Imp 998cc are getting 125hp in race
> form.

Well to fully disclose.. I'm looking for some "problem to solve" which is what is driving JVL and others nuts.

It is however, what I wanted.. something neet and a problem to solve.

I know race NSU motors are in the 125 neck of the woods..

I first want to get the car on the road with my problem solved <grin > and then worry about racing. So building the V8 bottom end and stuff will keep me happy and make a really cool project.. and if/when I race it provided the motor fits in some class (that i can hope to be competitive in).. it's just doing the top end and 250+ NA should be possible.. which would be more than enough.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

impfected Wrote:
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> "When it's all said and done.. I end up with a
> cool sounding air cooled motor that's still a
> "NSU" motor (I can't speak for any rule book
> thumpers)."
>
> As Autounion/Audi took over NSU later, why not
> throw an Audi V8 into it and add a front rad and
> be done?...
>
> Would not that qualify as having an engine from
> the same manufacturer?
>
> Or if your after only 100hp, just work the stock
> engine?
> Hillman Imp 998cc are getting 125hp in race
> form.
>
Oh oh, smack down!

I sense a challenge!


Checked the pistons, forged Mahles @ 250 Euros plus post..

I could save you 400 Euros or around 600 Americanskij Dollars right there.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Oh oh, smack down!
>
> I sense a challenge!
>
>
> Checked the pistons, forged Mahles @ 250 Euros
> plus post..
>
> I could save you 400 Euros or around 600
> Americanskij Dollars right there.



John, when I'm looking for pistons I will keep that in mind!

Are you offering the same kind of old school long skirted pistons that don't like to show their legs.. Or the high wrist pined leggy kind that likes to hang around head

At any rate, not getting pistons for a bit regardless.

Since you asked

So, far the biggest thing I overlooked last night that's come to mind is that the heads are directionally nesting, with one end having a larger bearing diameter and the opposite a flange. That and the camshaft..

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

If I say had a Suzuki V8 in the back of the NSU.. I'd be screwed for classing in rally wouldn't I?

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

Sounds like you already know the answer to that one...

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Michael LeCompte