Braided Brake Lines
Posted by 1fastben
1fastben Ben Hetland Mod Moderator Location: Utah Join Date: 09/12/2007 Age: Settling Down Posts: 297 Rally Car: None, right now |
Alright guys, I bought a hydraulic handbrake that I most don't really need, but I need guidance on what type and size of braided steel brake lines I should buy. And how about for end pieces for the lines, as well?
Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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BJosephD Brian j Dyer Junior Moderator Location: southern maine Join Date: 05/01/2009 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 381 Rally Car: 04 Rocky Mountain MTB... |
i am in the same boat with a golf, my secondary master is a willwood bit i have had for years, the input size is funky as it is designed to fit a resivoir.dont forget to pick up a brake proportion valve and install it before the cut brake.
i plan to use standard 3/16 line throughout. and factory rubber hoses where they were intended to be. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
It also will depend on what you're doing and what the stock brake system is like.
Like, stock proportioning valve? Does stock system have cross braking system? If so you'll end up with two lines going to rear independently. Stock or aftermarket proportioning valve needs to be before the handbrake if sticking with the stock master cylinder. 3/16 hardline, tube nut AN-3 fittings, AN-3 where you go braided. If you have a Girling or Wilwood master on that handbrake, your in from front will be on the back and is 7/16-20 and front it 3/8-16. I used banjos into the handbrake just to keep the lines lower and not sticking straight up. One local car rebent and reused most of the stock hard lines so just had to buy some fittings. New hard line is pretty cheap. I went excessive and did all braided soft lines with bulkhead fittings everywhere, which was expensive, but also pretty easy. I don't like cutting and flaring or bending hard line. Grant Hughes Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2009 05:54PM by NoCoast. |
1fastben Ben Hetland Mod Moderator Location: Utah Join Date: 09/12/2007 Age: Settling Down Posts: 297 Rally Car: None, right now |
Where would you suggest I could get the flexible hosing from, for the lowest price? If it's not too killer expensive, I'd rather do that than bend brake hardlines all day.
Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com |
Carl S Carl Seidel Elite Moderator Location: Fe Mtn, MI Join Date: 02/10/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 765 Rally Car: 1993 honderp |
Pegasus has line, fittings, and adpaters. They also sell prebuilt lines in various lengths/fittings that end up being cheaper I think.
www.pegasusautoracing.com My preference is to use the flexy lines only where needed and use hard line evreywhere else. Much cheaper ($20 for a 15 foot roll of 3/16" hard line vs ~$70 for an equal amount of -3), and fittings are cheaper and more readily available than AN fittings. Even places that carry JIC fittings usually dont have anything in the -3 range. The best method I've found for protecting braided lines (personal preference if you do or not, I think) is to take some good heat shrink insulation and shrink it down on both ends on the fittings. This will seal up the line from dirt and dust, and its durable, cheap. In my experience the heat shrink worked better than the fancy aeroquip heat sheild protection stuff that failed within 5 miles of testing and caused a failed line because the dirt that got in to the insulation abraided it. The heatshrink was still fine after a season os use. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2009 09:12AM by Carl S. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
1fastben Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Where would you suggest I could get the flexible > hosing from, for the lowest price? If it's not too > killer expensive, I'd rather do that than bend > brake hardlines all day. > > "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled > with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" > -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) > > > www.utahrallygroup.com Ben, you aren't rich, are you? Bending steel pipe is EASY and FUN. They have lengths of 3/16 in various lengths at Schucks or Auto Zoo, already flared so you use their already flared stuff and unions which cost maybe 69 centavos Americano and plump the majority of the runs for seriously under 20 bucks. THEN you make the hoses yourself with 3/16 flexy hose (and I have miles of it) and "reusable" end pieces. Pre-made are maybe cheaper THE FIRST TIME but just like life is an endless series of births and dying and rebirths, so should our brake line fitting live onward. This is kinda important cause I have seen more telfon lines die from mishandling than any other cause, and I have seen a worrying number in a series of pre made things I did years ago. ALL the failures were traced to somebody letting the caliper hang and that creased the teflon inside the stainless braid, and once it's crease, eventually they failed, pretty fucking exciting even at 25. Use reusable ends and when the hose fails, you bang on your spare, salvage the ends and you're back in business for 5 dollah!! Make you holla! You have metric fittings just like I do in my Xratty, so there's going to be someplaces you need metric bubble to AN-3 unions ie male to male and that means it's probably not allowed in Utah, what with all those Largely Sick and Delusional folks but mail order can get you what you need. I like to have a permanent male -3 AN sticking out of the calipers and at the bulkheads so I can make the hose a double ended female swivel and thats so anybody with ONE WRENCH can manage to swap a hose without fail, without needing a specific order---ie when the hose has a male end, that has to be screwed down first, THEN the bulkhead has to be done or you twist the hose to death----so plan out the fittings you'll need. THINK about service. Talk and ask questions. SAVES MUCHO DINERO, muchachito John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
I got most of my stuff from Pegasus. It is way more expensive to do soft lines throughout the car.
Here's my list and an example of that way more expensive comment. http://nocoastmotorsports.net/Build/Merkur/BrakePartList.JPG Grant Hughes |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
NoCoast Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I got most of my stuff from Pegasus. It is way > more expensive to do soft lines throughout the > car. > > Here's my list and an example of that way more > expensive comment. > > > Grant Hughes > www.nocoastmotorsports.net > Denver, CO Fuck me Grant that's 5 times more than you could have done it for. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Dazed_Driver Banned Super Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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1fastben Ben Hetland Mod Moderator Location: Utah Join Date: 09/12/2007 Age: Settling Down Posts: 297 Rally Car: None, right now |
Alright, guess its time to make a parts list!
Btw, you have a pm, Mr. Vanlanding'm. Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
1fastben Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Alright, guess its time to make a parts list! > > Btw, you have a pm, Mr. Vanlanding'm. I do??? What does it say? (you can tell me here, I won't tell anybody else) > > "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled > with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" > -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) > > > www.utahrallygroup.com John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
1fastben Ben Hetland Mod Moderator Location: Utah Join Date: 09/12/2007 Age: Settling Down Posts: 297 Rally Car: None, right now |
Huh, that's odd that it didn't go through. Anyway, I was wondering if you still have that duratec laying around anywheres?
Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com |
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