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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
December 02, 2009 07:36PM
I have a couple T-bird air to air cores, many have been converted to air to water with a simple Jacket. You are welcome to them. I think you will be better off with air to air. The Sierra cossie one in my street car is quite small, proven to 300 hp or so, and is a really nice core. They even had one with a pre air to water section, and an air to air core in one unit. I think John has a few of those.

The cossie core is maybe 8" tall.

why not put an air to air up in the cowl? you can get plenty of air there with some ducting.
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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
May 23, 2011 12:09PM
Very good post. I'm on my way to built almost same set up exept with a td05h 14b turbo. Since you have test your car yet do you have any advice or comment on where we should looking for upgrade.

Thanks
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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
May 23, 2011 04:13PM
I have a k24 (or k26) off an audi along with the 5cyl mani/external wastegate etc. You are more than welcome to borrow/check for fitment/purchase. Another good turbo is the newer k24 off the volvo's.

It also looks like alot of people starting to use the holset turbos (dodge diesels) with good success powerwise. plus I think they use a t3 flange.
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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
May 23, 2011 08:57PM
Did not see the original post 2 years past but thought this might be of interest as this is being looked at again, for what it is worth:

We went from the 14G to the 16G to the 16G super for our Mitsu 2.6L Starion motor. The step from 14G to 16G was good fro overall power at mid range and top end, but the 16G super was a much more significant step up in terms of turbo response than I expected; the lag was definitely less and the low end response definitely better with the super 16G over the 16G. When we went to a true 8.2 CR (thanks JVL) from the stock pistons that were supposed to make 8.1 but were actually 7.2 CR, the bottom end of the motor really came alive and the torque is strong from a bit under 2K to about 6k, and it jumps right from low end grunt into the turbo boost. With the larger motor (vs. a 2.0L for instance) , I would not expect the RPM's to be up to 7k, and it's not needed anyway; the larger displacement presumably heps the turbo get going at a lower RPM. We run about 15 psi boost tops. The boost holds to up the upper RPM end, and I think we are getting limited in the throttle body, not by the boost.

I am sure we make in the 250-300 HP range (not WHP). I don't know your displacement or anything, and I assume cams can/will make a difference. The Starion cams are stock intercooled 2.6L cams; I am not sure I have the cam specs but can look if anyone likes.

Never, ever have had the wastegate hang up on these Mitsu turbos, and that is with about 200-300 stages and lots of time at max boost. I have had the wastegate shaft shift a bit on one unit and it would hang a bit open from time to time. I put some lube around the shaft from time to time. The presure dashpot we us are the stock intercooled Starion ones, and we have had no issues with them at all. We always put some good NAPA antisieze on the studs and never have issues removing things.

We run the stock Starion intercooler; they are known to be a good piece. Have not had one blow yet nor any hoses. We use a metal tube set for the Starion with aircraft hose connecting pieces a few inches long, and that help the reliability of the hoses.

One thing that helped more than I expected was going from 2-1/4" exhaust to 2.5" exhaust. It helps some all over, but seemd to helped the top the most. (It may have helped the lag but am not sure as we made more than one change at once.) We were careful to keep all the kinks out and it really made a difference. Again, I don't know your dispalcement so 2.5" exhasut may be larger than needed for, say, a 2.0L.

Regards,
Mark B.
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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
May 24, 2011 12:16AM
take a look at the blouch 19t. find wrx tdo4's for next to nothing, send them to blouch to be upgraded for a few hundred $. i think a 19t would be a more responsive rally turbo on a vw motor than an evo 3 big 16 and cheap enough to have several spares...
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Re: Golf EVO III - 16G on a VW 16v questions
May 25, 2011 03:56PM
Larry Parker was running an SRT4 interfooler on his Galant VR4 rally car. It was compact, cheap and made good power at 16psi.

Apparently they were giving them away as practically every kid with a neon was fitting a big fancy unit.

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