4 Banger Mopar Power Options?

Best Peugeot motor I can thing of that meets your needs is from an 89 - 92 405 Mi-16. It has a wicked 1.9L 16 valve that makes 160 HP and has a 8000 redline IIRC. Not sure if you'd fit it with the transmission too, but that would be an option. Pretty sure it's an all alloy motor as well but that's just a guess. (I'm a 505 guy)

The 405 base models had a 1.9 L SOHC 8 valve motor that's a little more sedate, but with good torque.

Cars go for stupid cheap and if you can find a good runner - engines are quite reliable with regular T-belt changes. If you wanted to ditch the FI - guys in Europe regularly fit these with DCOE's... (Popular swap into a 205 GTi's)

Rabin

So Andrew,
I'm a little confused... Your building an NSU, so shouldn't you be looking at Audi/VW powerplants? Or did you go and get yourself an Imp as well?!

Al

impfected Wrote:
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> So Andrew,
> I'm a little confused... Your building an NSU, so
> shouldn't you be looking at Audi/VW powerplants?
> Or did you go and get yourself an Imp as well?!
>
> Al

Al, there is a pretty decent chance that there will also be a Simca 1000 in my driveway pretty soon. Everything bolts on and off and fenders are 120 euro instead of 600.. (and that's fairly typical of all the parts price differences, although slightly harder to locate).

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

hudson Wrote:
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> Opening the MINI lineup are the MINI One and MINI
> Cooper, both powered by the four-cylinder, 1.6-L
> Pentagon gasoline engine that was developed
> jointly by BMW and DaimlerChrysler and is built in
> South America. For the MINI One, it develops 66 kW
> (89 hp), and for the Cooper, 85 kW (114 hp). A
> supercharged version for the MINI Cooper S will be
> available for MY2002 producing 122 kW (164 hp).
> The transversely mounted 16-valve engine driving
> the front wheels meets EU4 emissions legislation
> but does so without the necessity of secondary air
> injection or exhaust recirculation. The engine
> block is cast iron, but the cylinder head is
> aluminum. The MINI is an international car
> designed to be sold into many markets, and its
> engine's anti-knock capability will allow it to
> run on lead-free gasoline with a RON span of 91 to
> 98. The engine features an electronic throttle,
> and a Siemens EMS 2000 electronic powertrain
> controller manages the engine and continuously
> variable transmission (CVT),
>
> Andrew M
> Onterrible
> 30ish

I met the lead engineer on this engine. It was designed in Detroit with a BMW-sized budget. As he told it, they designed the engine and still had money to spend, so they started throwing strength (forged bits, etc) at it just because they could.

The production engine was supercharged, of course, but just for yucks, he had thrown a turbo on one (twincharged - he didn't remove the supercharger) and was running it at 30 psi through their durability cycle and it was holding up. Never finished the test, since the dyno was needed for something else, but it was looking good.

At the time (a year or two into production) he said the engine had the lowest warrantee cost of any BMW engine.

From what I could tell, BMW didn't start poo-pooing that engine until Mercedes took over. I don't think a joint venture with mercedes was a very comfortable arrangement.

I'm not a fan of the electronic throttle calibration on those engines. Sluggish and delayed. We had some tuner reflash the ECU once to take out the delay and it was brilliant. Only lasted about 10 minutes before some electronic nanny figured it out and sent the car into limp-home.

Electronic tuning has come a long way since then, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a good reflash now. With a proper flash (and maybe a better intercooler) that would be a fantastic engine.

-Dave

hudson Wrote:
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> Opening the MINI lineup are the MINI One and MINI
> Cooper, both powered by the four-cylinder, 1.6-L
> Pentagon gasoline engine that was developed
> jointly by BMW and DaimlerChrysler and is built in
> South America. For the MINI One, it develops 66 kW
> (89 hp), and for the Cooper, 85 kW (114 hp). A
> supercharged version for the MINI Cooper S will be
> available for MY2002 producing 122 kW (164 hp).
> The transversely mounted 16-valve engine driving
> the front wheels meets EU4 emissions legislation
> but does so without the necessity of secondary air
> injection or exhaust recirculation. The engine
> block is cast iron, but the cylinder head is
> aluminum. The MINI is an international car
> designed to be sold into many markets, and its
> engine's anti-knock capability will allow it to
> run on lead-free gasoline with a RON span of 91 to
> 98. The engine features an electronic throttle,
> and a Siemens EMS 2000 electronic powertrain
> controller manages the engine and continuously
> variable transmission (CVT),
>
> Andrew M
> Onterrible
> 30ish

I met the lead engineer on this engine. It was designed in Detroit with a BMW-sized budget. As he told it, they designed the engine and still had money to spend, so they started throwing strength (forged bits, etc) at it just because they could.

The production engine was supercharged, of course, but just for yucks, he had thrown a turbo on one (twincharged - he didn't remove the supercharger) and was running it at 30 psi through their durability cycle and it was holding up. Never finished the test, since the dyno was needed for something else, but it was looking good.

At the time (a year or two into production) he said the engine had the lowest warrantee cost of any BMW engine.

From what I could tell, BMW didn't start poo-pooing that engine until Mercedes took over. I don't think a joint venture with mercedes was a very comfortable arrangement.

I'm not a fan of the electronic throttle calibration on those engines. Sluggish and delayed. We had some tuner reflash the ECU once to take out the delay and it was brilliant. Only lasted about 10 minutes before some electronic nanny figured it out and sent the car into limp-home.

Electronic tuning has come a long way since then, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a good reflash now. With a proper flash (and maybe a better intercooler) that would be a fantastic engine.

-Dave

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> I met the lead engineer on this engine. It was
> designed in Detroit with a BMW-sized budget. As he
> told it, they designed the engine and still had
> money to spend, so they started throwing strength
> (forged bits, etc) at it just because they could.
>
>
> The production engine was supercharged, of course,
> but just for yucks, he had thrown a turbo on one
> (twincharged - he didn't remove the supercharger)
> and was running it at 30 psi through their
> durability cycle and it was holding up. Never
> finished the test, since the dyno was needed for
> something else, but it was looking good.
>
> At the time (a year or two into production) he
> said the engine had the lowest warrantee cost of
> any BMW engine.
>
> From what I could tell, BMW didn't start
> poo-pooing that engine until Mercedes took over. I
> don't think a joint venture with mercedes was a
> very comfortable arrangement.
>
> I'm not a fan of the electronic throttle
> calibration on those engines. Sluggish and
> delayed. We had some tuner reflash the ECU once to
> take out the delay and it was brilliant. Only
> lasted about 10 minutes before some electronic
> nanny figured it out and sent the car into
> limp-home.
>
> Electronic tuning has come a long way since then,
> so I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a good
> reflash now. With a proper flash (and maybe a
> better intercooler) that would be a fantastic
> engine.
>
> -Dave

Interesting.. I thought that a lot of the dislike of the motor was due to the fact that it wasn't a BMW motor made in Germany.

At any rate, all things being equal, lowest weight is the highest priority.

In both my case and Imped's case the engine will be in the trunk. Speaking for myself, a cast iron block kills it for me.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish