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Ted Andkilde
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T5 Identity
March 10, 2010 06:36AM

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Hey John

Should the ID# be stamped on a tag? Or cast into the case somewhere?

Picked up a T5 on CL, supposed to be from a 86 302 mustang, so '265' is what I'm looking for but, no dice so far.

Thanks, Ted

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Oh, yeah?
I stink dis ones better than your'n.
1352- Year Model Engine 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th R
114 Factory 85-86 T-Bird 2.3 T 235 4.03 2.37 1.49 1.00 0.81 3.76 6 7.41 0.59

115 Motorsport 79-83 Mustang 5.0 305 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 2.76 6 7.18 0.668 a

116 Factory 85-86 SVO 2.3 T 250 3.50 2.14 1.39 1.00 0.78 3.39 6 7.41 0.59

126 Factory 85 Mustang 5.0 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.68 3.15 7 7.18 0.668

141 Factory 86 Mustang 5.0 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.68 3.15 7 7.18 0.668

154 Factory 87 Mustang 2.3 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.85 3.70 7 7.41 0.59

155 Factory 87 T-Bird 2.3 T 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.79 3.70 6 7.41 0.59

162 Factory 87-88 Mustang 2.3 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.79 3.70 7 7.41 0.59

165 Factory 86 Mustang 5.0 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.68 3.15 7 7.18 0.668

169 Factory 86.5-89 Mustang 5.0 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.68 3.15 7 7.18 0.668

194 Factory 89-90 Mustang 2.3 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.79 3.70 7 7.41 0.59

199 Factory 90-91 Mustang 5.0 300 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.18 0.668 b

200 Motorsport 79-93 Mustang 5.0 305 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 a

202 Aftermarket 79-93 Mustang 5.0 305 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.80 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 c

204 Service 85-89 Mustang 5.0 300 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 7 7.18 0.668

207 Factory 91 Mustang 2.3 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.79 3.70 7 7.41 0.59

208 Factory 92-93 Mustang 5.0 300 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.18 0.668 d

209 Factory 92-93 Mustang 2.3 240 3.97 2.34 1.46 1.00 0.79 3.70 7 7.41 0.59

218 Factory 93 Mustang Cobra 310 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.18 0.668 e

219 Factory 94 Mustang 5.0 300 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.85 0.668

220 Factory 94 Mustang 3.8 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.73 3.15 7 7.85 0.668

225 Aftermarket 79-93 Mustang 5.0 325 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.80 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 b,c,d

227 Motorsport 79-93 Mustang 5.0 325 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 b,c,d,f

236 Factory 94 1/2 Mustang 3.8 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.73 3.15 7 7.85 0.668

238 Factory 94-97 Mustang 3.8 265 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.73 3.15 8 7.85 0.668

239 Aftermarket 93 Mustang Cobra 310 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.18 0.68 c,e

242 Factory 94-95 Mustang Cobra 5.0 310 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.85 0.668 e

246 Factory 94-95 Mustang 5.0 300 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.85 0.668

249 Motorsport 79-93 Mustang 5.0 330 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 e,g

251 Aftermarket 79-93 Mustang 5.0 330 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 2.76 7 7.18 0.668 c,e

253 Aftermarket 94-95 Mustang Cobra 5.0 310 3.35 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.68 3.15 8 7.85 0.668 c,e

Input Shaft = 1-1/16 inch/10 spline
Ouput Shaft = 28 Splines

Notes:
a) Motorsport M-7003-A
b) Improved Steel Alloy
c) Aftermarket
d) Carbon fiber 3/4 blocker rings
e) Cobra tapered roller pocket bearing
f) Motorsport M-7003-X
g) Motorsport M-7003-Z

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Re: T5 Identity
March 10, 2010 09:47AM

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It's on a metal tag that connects the tail shaft to the main housing. If the trans has been rebuilt it could easily disappear.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 10, 2010 09:56AM

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JVL is having his knee replaced and will be in the hospital for a few days. The beatings will continue when he returns.

Robert.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 10, 2010 10:17PM

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Rallymech Wrote:
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> JVL is having his knee replaced and will be in the
> hospital for a few days.

Ach...

Sorry to hear that John, the big white "Rush Skittles" (vicodin) are OK, but the little blue ones (time-release morphine) are where it's at. And get one of the icepacks with the picnic cooler full of ice-water attached, they work great and look horrible so you get lots of sympathy.

Keep the faith and feel better soon, don't chase the rehab girls around too much, they get ornery when you harass them.

As I recall the rehab goes pretty quick once the pain starts to subside, I did an ACL a coupla years ago and the full replacement folks seemed to be in and out quicker than I was -- they hurt more at the beginning though.

Thanks Grant, I'll check for the tag on the tailshaft, I suspect 24 years behind a V8 might have precipitated a rebuild or two.

Cheers, Ted

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Re: T5 Identity
March 11, 2010 07:27PM

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Looks like 1352-065 tag is pretty rusty but I don't think I'd mistake a 2 and a 0, not on this list but another cross reference pegs it as a non-WC box from an 84 mustang with a 2.95 1st gear. I'll pop off the bell tomorrow to check out the bearing race and confirm WC or non-WC.

Cheers, Ted

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Re: T5 Identity
March 12, 2010 10:25AM

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While you have it out, replace the bearing carrier with the aftermarket steel one! I destroyed the aluminum one in one race.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 12, 2010 04:51PM

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NoCoast Wrote:
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> While you have it out, replace the bearing carrier
> with the aftermarket steel one! I destroyed the
> aluminum one in one race.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

Yeah, once I positively ID it I'll purchase a rebuild kit and start discussing the merits of whether it's worth swapping to the tighter 5th, at this point I doubt it since my 4/5 shift is at about 130mph, and frankly, that's pretty much "fast enough" and with the .63 5th I can cruise at 75 at about 2500rpm.

I hadn't heard about steel bearing carrier but that sounds like a sensible upgrade, though you're pushing a ton more power than me. I'm looking at 170 hp/145 ft/lb.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 12, 2010 04:59PM

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It's cheap and well worth it, even with less power. My car probably isn't a whole lot more. Stock is 175 hp and I've not done anything huge at this point. Exhaust and intercooler and running 4 psi less than stock boost.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 12, 2010 10:09PM

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Mustang-T5-5-0-83-93-Steel-Bearing-Retainer-T-5-HD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5ac77388QQitemZ130372039560QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Hey Grant, is this the piece? The one the T/O bearing rides on?

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Re: T5 Identity
March 15, 2010 03:10PM

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Pulled the bell off, definitely a non-WC T5, still got the all aluminum front bearing retainer as well, so I know which rebuild kit to order and that I have to get the new retainer.

Found a PDF Manual http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2002/09/transmissions/LD05-0510-0199.pdf, will this do? Or should I pop for a decent book?

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Re: T5 Identity
March 15, 2010 05:44PM

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That looks like the same one I used and it was sufficient.
On the retainer, I used the aluminum one for like a single day of testing and a rallycross. It wasn't totally destroyed, but it already showed signs of getting beat on. Also, while you have it apart, have the input shaft machined down to the right diameter for your input shaft bearing on the crank. Brass bushing did completely fail on mine.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 16, 2010 10:20AM

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I have to figure out the whole pilot bearing/bushing thing. I'm sticking this onto a Zetec, apparently the crank is machined for a pilot but doesn't have one fitted.

Lot's of options, bushings, roller bearings, kevlar reinforced plastic doo-dads -- Bearing is the way to go?

t

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Re: T5 Identity
March 16, 2010 12:16PM

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Ted, what kind of battle wagon is all this going into?

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Re: T5 Identity
March 16, 2010 09:58PM

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Lotus 7 clone, bunch of xrattie parts, some tinfoil and string for the most part smiling smiley

No rally hopes, bit of hooning, perhaps a hillclimb or two.

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Re: T5 Identity
March 16, 2010 10:51PM

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super cool, I've wanted to make on of those for a while. Make wit the pics.

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