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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 21, 2011 11:25PM
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I have mine done with taco gussets on the driver side. I didn't need it for the co-driver because I had it done as one solid bar.

Actually, even if it's a solid bar it has to be gussetted to the bar.
It's this fun part from 8.3.2.1.5 from Article 253.
"If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in Article 253-8.2.14."

Dave. It does not specify in 8.2.14 or 8.3.2.1.5 that the two reinforcements have to be in any particular configuration.

No shit, I guess I read that wrong. Reading that sentence out of context makes it seem optional by saying "may be made". But with the preceding sentence:

"the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement (Drawing
253-15),
must be reinforced by a minimum of 2 gussets complying with
Article 253-8.2.14.
If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not
situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of
fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in
Article 253-8.2.14. "

Makes a bit more sense. But the wording is still a bit "odd" in that I need to be required to have 2 gussets, when really I can only have one. But from every other cage I've seen it gusseted, I know what to do.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 22, 2011 10:35AM
Man this whole build is pure sex. Makes me want to sell my civic and start building something else again!!!
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 22, 2011 12:19PM
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Man this whole build is pure sex. Makes me want to sell my civic and start building something else again!!!

Don't do it! If you have a car that runs, go have fun with it in the woods. After seeing the car that Matt Johnson picked up in Michigan last week for about what I have into this build, it makes me sick. I've spent a 15 months (on and off of course) working on this thing and have yet to drive it, he just went out, plopped down a check and trailered off a running car.

Dave
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 22, 2011 12:53PM
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Man this whole build is pure sex. Makes me want to sell my civic and start building something else again!!!

Don't do it! If you have a car that runs, go have fun with it in the woods. After seeing the car that Matt Johnson picked up in Michigan last week for about what I have into this build, it makes me sick. I've spent a 15 months (on and off of course) working on this thing and have yet to drive it, he just went out, plopped down a check and trailered off a running car.

Dave

What car? what cost?
Building spreads out the pain, and that's an important thing for most people.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 22, 2011 01:38PM
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What car? what cost?
Building spreads out the pain, and that's an important thing for most people.

Supercharged RX8 and under $20 I think is what I heard. Looked like a nice build, but Matt was concerned that the car was a little on the heavy side. I'm still waiting to get all the parts bolted up to mine to do the weigh-in.

Building does spread out the pain (both the cost - good / and time involved - bad), but if you can be disciplined and set aside the $$ you would've spent building a car, and waited a year, and the right deal came along...

Dave
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 22, 2011 07:36PM
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What car? what cost?
Building spreads out the pain, and that's an important thing for most people.

Supercharged RX8 and under $20 I think is what I heard. Looked like a nice build, but Matt was concerned that the car was a little on the heavy side. I'm still waiting to get all the parts bolted up to mine to do the weigh-in.

Building does spread out the pain (both the cost - good / and time involved - bad), but if you can be disciplined and set aside the $$ you would've spent building a car, and waited a year, and the right deal came along...

Dave

I had the same deal with my car. I spent a good 9 months building my car and after I do my first event an EM1 coupe goes on sale for half the cost of my car and the only difference was the gear kit. It's how it always works out.

The problem is, you can sit and wait on the cash and not buy a car because you're "waiting for the right one". I am still very happy with my car and I am glad I built it. So no loss.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 12:34AM
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I am still very happy with my car and I am glad I built it. So no loss.
Seems like a fast machine for sure.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 10:32AM
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I am still very happy with my car and I am glad I built it. So no loss.
Seems like a fast machine for sure.

Still gaining speed in it too. As long as I click well with my girlfriend co-driving at TN I should show it pretty well. Running 1 or 2 track days as test and tune before so I'll have a solid setup and where the limits are on the car for tarmac.

I really wish there were more tarmac rallies in the US.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 11:18AM
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I really wish there were more tarmac rallies in the US.

Go play roadrace, and just pretend.

Grass is always greener....

You do realise that in the World, that gravel rally is considered the pinnacle, the ultimate, the BAD-ass-est?

And that tarmac is for lightweights, and beginners.

You do realise that is the general worldwide feeling---including France, Spain, Italy, 3 countries who have the bulk of their hundreds of rallys on asfalto..???

Not arguing just wonder if you understand what the general attitude is.

Personally I cannot HERE understand the fascination or imagination.
THERE I have drive MILLIONS of km on French D roads (Departmental---the kinds of roads used as stages) MILLIONS of KM
And there with the incredible narrowness and insane curviness, I understand the challenge.

Not interested but understand.

Here with plain stupid speeds attainable on our WIDE and STRAIGHTish roads by amateurs in barely warmed over cars I think its a nightmare waiting to happen.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 06:17PM
^Pretty please no one respond to this so as to not muck up a really awesome thread.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 06:30PM
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^Pretty please no one respond to this so as to not muck up a really awesome thread.


LOL smileys with beer
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 07:26PM
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^Pretty please no one respond to this so as to not muck up a really awesome thread.

I think he mucked it up himself... I think I stepped on a toe or something with the way he's all yelling.

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But I'll put us back on track...

Back to BMW talk!
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 09:37PM
I'm anxious to see how the Bimmer works as well as a well built Civic. These two cars may be the answer to affordable and exciting 2WD cars.
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 09:38PM
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^Pretty please no one respond to this so as to not muck up a really awesome thread.

Chris read the clear, no-nonsense plain statement "not arguing" just wonder if Billy knows we have it pretty good being nearly all gravel.

Let me ask you something: If we were hanging around outside in the parking lot and all just BSing about a whole bunch of subjects simultaneously, and somebody said "I wish we had more asphalt events", would you be so presumptuous as to blurt out "Please no one respond to this...".

We're just blabbering about rally, this thread is about---more or less---Dave Kern's BMW. The conversation drifted over to the observation that sometimes you stumble onto a killer deal, which elicited comments that "yeah sometimes just after you're finished with a big build...."

Then my friend Paulinho and Billy had a little side track about how nice Billy's Honda project was going....

Nobody felt compelled to advise anybody to "please no one respond to this"
and when Billy---who you may know is a real newbie, mentioned he wishes--for some inexplicable reason, that he wished there were more tarmac events...
That obviously baffles me.
So I asked in a normal conversational tome "don't you understand that everywhere that is predominantly asphalt dreams of gravel event?"


Why should Billy "please not respond"?

I know in the many many conversations with the thread starter Dave Kern, we've wandered all over the map when really we're supposed to be talking about the stuff he contracted me top do: Full suspension build, ideas and parts for the nice LSD in the car and BIG breaks, and both of us have blabbed about US Politics, how nice Evo-bitchis are, other BMWs, rally in general and all sorts of things, just like friends do when conversing...

Do you like censorship?
Why do you hate America?
Are you for Freedomâ„¢ or with the Terrists?
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Re: BMW Compact Build
March 23, 2011 09:48PM
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^Pretty please no one respond to this so as to not muck up a really awesome thread.

I think he mucked it up himself... I think I stepped on a toe or something with the way he's all yelling.

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But I'll put us back on track...

Back to BMW talk!

Nobody was yelling Billy.
Purposely mischaracterizing anthers questions about you off topic comments is, if intentional, extremely rude, and a certain type of dishonesty.

You didn't step on a toe you simply stated something i have head from newbs a million times and i have no idea why, so I asked politely.

I did not say "You're stupid you fawkin newb poser I hate you i hate you i hate you!!!!!!!!!!!"

Why not tell us WHY? you want to play asphalt rally?

And why not tell me why you need to throw shit on me and pretend I was 'yelling"? What have I done to you that you need to backhandedly smear me?
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