BMW 318i
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I'm talking about a 1984 318i e30, not the newer e36 Compact.
Okay, 2200 was a bit under the reality. The internet has various "specs" on this car, with each one seeming to have it's own different curb weight. Which one is correct? 
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=55990 (I realize this is a 1983 4-door, and what I've been looking at is a 2 door) http://www.strictlyeta.net/technical/specifications2.html www.bimmerwerkz.com/.../11016d1092448653-top-speed-325-1988-2-7liters-bmw_e30_3_series_specifications.doc Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com |
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phlat65 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > look at the scales in the Compact build thread, a > bit more than 2200. The 318 TI came with a pretty > decent diff, with 4+ ratio. I would say is going > to be a good car. Fuckin shit Sean, SAY IT if you know it!! Come on! And Ben, dig dig dig, find things like drawings and dimesniopsn PHOTOS of the fawkin thing so we know what model. IF you want something that works better than the Fuced-us you right to look for swap-able parts, and lighter weight. And MOAR TORX. Now think of the 106 ft/lbs of gut wrenching Toarxes. and some unknown weight cause Sean can't fuckin be trouble to say But lets say 2300lbs. Now thing of the 2 cars I'm always talking about at maybe 2700 lbs but with over 200 ft/lbs in virtually stock form.... and 250 or more just around the corner..... (OK I'm pitching a soft ball so your answer is to smack me down with my own words, OK you HAVE to say But But But ----that's when I wise crack "Nice motorboat kid"---but you're always saying "Whatever the motor doesn't make in Fooot Lebz, we make up in the final drive!!!, So Fucvk you John!!" 
But Ben, what about the other shit, STEEERING, BRAKES SIZES---WHEEL BEARING SIZES. I'm not joking I've seen older (80s-whenever) Beeemers with front wheel bearings smaller than the bearings on the rear of VWs and ask anybopdy how small those POS things are. Shit like this is important Ben, and part of why I don't reccomend the BMW like I do the Ford and Volvo, parts sizes means something---there IS a relationship between the size a fawking poncy ball joint and its strength, and seriously I must underline: the size of all the suspension stuff: ball joints, rack, tie rod ends, bearings hubs, wheel bolts, EVERYTHING the car RIDES on is always a step or two smaller than equivalent size German Ford or Opel---or Volvo. And ben it is just these same parts which I have been like GOBSMACKED when I've seen the actual size of these parts on WRC cars: BIG!! SHIT!! BIG!!! BEARINGS, Balljoints, meaty control arms, thick guage shit etc... Conclusion: since every BMW is designed to go down GERMAN roads which they pay big taxes to maintain in near perfect condition, there is no need to overbuilt a car to deal with even minor bumps because all bumps have been FORBIDDEN!!! So you'll either: a) live in fear of breaking shit here and there all the time or b) go broke feeding the car new parts constantly c) upgrade to BIGGER MANLIER stuff from other cars, or in other words DEVELOP. So show us more of whatever the model you're thinking of. And of course I'm going to look at finding you a nice cheap 240 or Xratty and prove you wrong that you can't find them.... Cause I can find them in one phone call, cheap, around 400 buck tops. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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_1984 Volvo___240GL____Runs OK.____ - $700 (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Date: 2010-04-21, 4:01PM MDT Reply to: sale-yuhue-1703626285@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] I am selling my Volvo. I bought it last Fall to get me through the winter and it did just that. I won't lie. It does need work. Sometimes it runs excellent, and other times not so much. I have installed new spark plugs and wiring, new battery terminals, new fuel filter, new air mass meter and had the fuel injectors cleaned. I also had a recent oil change. It will get you from point A to point B. Also it has current registration. Please call or text me with any questions or if you want to check it out. Nick 760.458.1392  John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Hokay, hokay, here's 3 links as requested for the three cars I was LOOKING at. Yep, one of 'em's a inline 6. According to some website I read that I don't feel like looking up at the moment, the '87 SI handles lots better than the older ones due to "much improved" rear suspension and also has 168hp/tq. Of course, that's all on tarmac.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=2364826 http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=2405604 http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=2331007 (working on getting pic's of this one) What kind of beefing up can be done, anyway? I have considered RX-7s, although I'm not sure what to think just yet. I do like them...hmmmm... As for Volvo's, I'm pretty set against any 140/240/242 newer than like 1980~, and any that has 4 doors. My apologies, Volvo aficianado's, but to me, they're just too bricklike and ugly beyond those years IMO. As a sidenote, the reasoning for me posting links, is that, compared to you guys, I know nothing about cars, so thus I figure my statistics mean equally nothing without some kind of backup to support them. Not to mention all my less-than-knowledgable (see "dumb" questions.
Ben Hetland 1973 Volvo 142 project car (with some cone-smashing on dirt in it's future, however) "No. Rally Racing is a back alley sport filled with jackals, headhunters and thugs!" -Pops Racer (Speed Racer movie) www.utahrallygroup.com Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2010 10:37AM by 1fastben. |
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Ben, I agree the grille and lights are hideous on later 240s, but that's EASY to fix.
The main thing is that the car is just a TOOL to do a job, and there are some tools out there that work at the job so well that it so to speak "weighs heavier' on the scale. Sure the 240s are boxy, and I never thought about so much about them here in Seattle, a town drowning in 240s, especially the North side where since 1968 I have always lived when I live here (until 2001 when i bought this house where i could afford it just down by the airport). I didn't pay them that much attention because the owners were either sproutheads who NEVER did needed work and the cars were wallowing, sloppy POS crates or they were proto-yuppies who were insufferably boring consumeroid who blabbed incessantly about "safety!!!!" Then in 1987, I drove my nice Saab up to Rocky Mountain Rally then in Pincher Creek Alberta where then Canadian Champion Bo Skovronek had a properly built GpA turbo 240 and i got to see that thing kick and stomp everybody in the whole event into lifeless lumps of bleeding hamburger meat EFFORTLESSLY, and smoothly. THEN I started looking at the specific elements in the car that made it WORK so well such as engine position, engine size, brakes, links, bearings etc. It was all GOOD. Of course i was aware the escort MkI and MkII were the coolest thing in the world, and the epic book "Ford Escort Rally Preparation" by Graham Robson was in my hands before I even begin building my Saab, since I thought you have to have guidance. (And MkII is pretty damn boxy, too, as is the old 510 Datsun which was so popular and which filled the rally start lists.), so maybe the prevalence of so many boxy things kinda inoculated me against excluding a car cause it was rather PLAIN... See in my book we Americans talk in black and white and too often in dichotomies like something is GOOD!! or it's BAD  and its "pretty" (or what ever) or it's UGLY .
I say there a lot out there which are more PLAIN than "ugly" and if something is plain but WORKS GOOD, then what the fawk to I care when competition---which is ultimately about making RESULTS is what we're doing. I mean Ben, get yourself some stylish street car if aesthetics is so important. I mean further, do you look at a wrench or a hammer or a fuckin file and say "it's ugly!!!"? There's been all kinds of "pretty" cars that even in the guise of "works" cars with budgets a million times more than any of us, and with good International level drivers, have done miserably against some rather plain cars.. Those Lancia Intergrales were awfully box and most of us love them probably more for how well the WORKED than anything else.... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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If I got a BMW, I'd get a 97 or 98 328i which is the e36. I'd get a 4 door, so you can throw the helmets and shit in the back seat area and not have to pass it through the cage.
It's got the m52 engine, which is super common. It makes 141 kW (191 hp) @ 5300 275 N·m (203 ft·lb) @ 3950. Redline is 6500. It's square bore and stroke @ 84mm. Compression ratio is 10.2:1. It's aluminum head and block. Its a good solid stock motor to start out with. Down the road a turbo monster just costs $$, it's been done a million times. You could cage one, change the final drive, put some soooper bitchin suspenseders on it and go get some seat time and develop as you go. The guys over in Finland make those cars go FAST!!! Here's one to start with for $1000. 
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