Mike said someplace:
Hi.

I'm going through a Sentra rally car that I recently picked up and I'm planning on replacing all of the wheel studs as part of preventive maintenance.

Which wheel studs and lug nuts do you recommend for rally racing? I'm assuming that closed-end lugnuts are a must to avoid contaminating the stud threads. Any particular stud length? Any preferred vendors?

Thanks in advance!


Annswer:
Bugpack 2.2" long M14x 1.5 studs available in Sea-tac on Hiway 99 a few blocks South of 188th at the VW place on the left side of the road.

Nuts. M14 nuts, I have 200 or so here.

Note, why ask over at that other place?

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Does anyone know if anyone makes those spiffy stock car style double-cone lug nuts in 14x1.5?

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Pete Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if anyone makes those spiffy
> stock car style double-cone lug nuts in 14x1.5?

Sorta boubt it.
Somehow I've just barely managed to surviver with plain old VW bus nuts since 1988 or so....

What the fuck you need double ended nuts for??
>
>
>
> Pete Remner
> Cleveland, Ohio
>
> 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
> 1978
> Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

You can't put them on backwards, is all, so that means three less brain cells needed when you're slamming the wheel on. Not strictly necessary but it's a nice feature.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Get real.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Mike said someplace:
> Hi.
>
> I'm going through a Sentra rally car that I
> recently picked up and I'm planning on replacing
> all of the wheel studs as part of preventive
> maintenance.
>
> Which wheel studs and lug nuts do you recommend
> for rally racing? I'm assuming that closed-end
> lugnuts are a must to avoid contaminating the stud
> threads. Any particular stud length? Any preferred
> vendors?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Annswer:
> Bugpack 2.2" long M14x 1.5 studs available in
> Sea-tac on Hiway 99 a few blocks South of 188th at
> the VW place on the left side of the road.
>
> Nuts. M14 nuts, I have 200 or so here.
>
> Note, why ask over at that other place?
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.rallyrace.net/jvab
> CALL +1 206 431-9696
> Remember! Pacific Standard Time
> is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.


Pete Wrote:
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> You can't put them on backwards, is all, so that
> means three less brain cells needed when you're
> slamming the wheel on. Not strictly necessary but
> it's a nice feature.
>
>
>
> Pete Remner
> Cleveland, Ohio
>
> 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
> 1978
> Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.




john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Get real.
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.rallyrace.net/jvab
> CALL +1 206 431-9696
> Remember! Pacific Standard Time
> is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.




lolz

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/24/2010 12:24AM by Dazed_Driver.

I have had very good luck with ARP wheel studs. Just measure the knurl diameter and they should make one that fits your car. The Focus used the same studs as a mid 90s GM F-body so they are super cheap.

Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> I have had very good luck with ARP wheel studs.
> Just measure the knurl diameter and they should
> make one that fits your car. The Focus used the
> same studs as a mid 90s GM F-body so they are
> super cheap.


Why not upgrade to what is known to be the gravel rally standard M14?

I am an ARP dealer so sure if there was a compelling reason to stick with the street car size, like class restrictions but if the rules allow, why not something enormously stronger, especially if it is qood quality and cheaper??

At some point it seems wise to incorporate the knowledge that some have made efforts to dig up and disseminate.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

How often do rallyistas lose wheels due to broken wheel studs?
M14 sounds like a stud diameter to me. Anyone know sizing on stock Mitsu studs?

When does one start considering ARP hardware for this, that, and the other?

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

> When does one start considering ARP hardware for
> this, that, and the other?
>

?? why wouldn't you

if you do anything with a head on a motor, throw some ARP crap at it while you are in there. it sucks to have an overheating motor cause you assembled it with used stretched headbolts and saved $30.....


we use ARP wheel studs on our mazda... bigger brakes lead to wheel spacers which lead to longer wheel studs......

DR1665 Wrote:
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> How often do rallyistas lose wheels due to broken
> wheel studs?

I can think of several times.
Want to find out what it's like?

> M14 sounds like a stud diameter to me. Anyone know
> sizing on stock Mitsu studs?

They are likely M12
>
> When does one start considering ARP hardware for
> this, that, and the other?

Well when it comes to studs seems some people do it just for the longer studs and the security blanket of having spent money.

Rod bolts, sure since OEM are usually more expensive, and unknown quaility---ie they themselves usually say replace after 1 use.
Head studs---depends on the OEM things price---maybe it's just as smart to replace every time---cause how often are you rebuilding the motor??
Flywheel bolts, naw, they aren't that stressed and OEM are usually good, but maybe check price. I use a Mercedes flywheel bolt on all the Fords I build, costs less than Ford and is a nicer fastener.
Main caps--no OEM is fine on the stuff I build.


As for these wheel studs, I've used the Bugpack studs on lots of vehicles since 1988 with never a problem, they are bigger and since I see all serious rally cars using 14mm I figure WHY NOT go bigger?
The have a nubbin or "lead" and a compact head so clearence is good and the nut is guided on---never cross thread...

>
> Brian DR1665 | Phoenix, AZ
> 92 GVR4 - daily | 91 GVR4 - endless rally project

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

brianallmotor Wrote:
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> ?? why wouldn't you

Well, I was coming from a place of must-have vs nice-to-have.

I've used ARPs on heads for years, but have I gone ARP-crazy and got their studs for intake and exhaust manifolds, flywheels, bumpers, radio installs, and wheel studs? Nope.

I suspect that these studs fall on the nice-to-have list. I'd say, after the clutch, brakes, suspenders, brake lines, and maybe tuning are taken care of.

Lose a wheel? Eat a little crow, endure a little I-told-you-so, and then order 'em up.

Don't get me wrong, I see the value and would love to get some, but I'll pass for the same reason I'm passing on the dual brake masters, steering quickener, and whatnot.

/making the transition from keyboard rallyist to casual, I-like-to-go-fast-on=dirt kinda guy.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

john vanlandingham Wrote:

>
> Rod bolts, sure since OEM are usually more
> expensive, and unknown quaility---ie they
> themselves usually say replace after 1 use.
> Head studs---depends on the OEM things
> price---maybe it's just as smart to replace every
> time---cause how often are you rebuilding the
> motor??
> Flywheel bolts, naw, they aren't that stressed and
> OEM are usually good, but maybe check price. I use
> a Mercedes flywheel bolt on all the Fords I build,
> costs less than Ford and is a nicer fastener.
> Main caps--no OEM is fine on the stuff I build.

The OEM bolts on a lot of things ARE one time and throw away use.
You can feel the bolt deforming as you tighten it. My favorite are the super long head bolts VW uses nowadays. The torque is something like 55 ft-lb plus 180 degrees, and when you do the 180 degrees you don't feel the bolt getting "tighter" at all, the torque you feel at the wrench stays constant.

I did an older Mercedes flywheel once (Euro 280SE, neat car) and even that old thing had bolts that stretched noticeably when torqued. Scary.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

aint plastic deformation a bitch?

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Mike said someplace:
> Hi.
>
> I'm going through a Sentra rally car that I
> recently picked up and I'm planning on replacing
> all of the wheel studs as part of preventive
> maintenance.
>
> Which wheel studs and lug nuts do you recommend
> for rally racing? I'm assuming that closed-end
> lugnuts are a must to avoid contaminating the stud
> threads. Any particular stud length? Any preferred
> vendors?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Annswer:
> Bugpack 2.2" long M14x 1.5 studs available in
> Sea-tac on Hiway 99 a few blocks South of 188th at
> the VW place on the left side of the road.
>
> Nuts. M14 nuts, I have 200 or so here.
>
> Note, why ask over at that other place?
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA

Great! Start a thread about me and I don't even get an invite! The nerve!

As it turns out, I recently bought 60mm NISMO M12x1.25 studs and Gorilla nuts so I think I'm covered in this area. Too bad I didn't see this thread earlier. Admittedly, I do spend more time at the other site.

VW place in SeaTac? I live in SeaTac!