Another 510

Took the summer off really is a matter of perspective. You don't have to be enrolled in a school to be learning anything. There hasn't been a week in the past 2 years where I haven't been practicing, learning new skills, or post processing techniques. No, I wasn't enrolled. And No, I wasn't paying for classes.

However, the simple answer is no, its not done, it's not high on the priority list. School and work are. The car is third. Can't rally without money. That's the simple truth. So while I go to school and while I work, I will chip away at it. Will it get done? Yes. Will I rally it? Yes. Will I rush to complete a car I can't yet afford to race? No.


And Billy, then yes, I started a business, I'm growing it now. So there

This thread is heading toward derailment again :|


I'm just drivin' the D til the snow flies, so i got that going for me, which is nice.

Is there a general consensus on ride height for a rally datsun? stock? x" higher?

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Agree. That car is sweet. But then again, it is just a car....

It IS just a car. For as rare and popular as they seem to be these days among a certain subset of car-nerds, it's still just a "cute" econobox from another era. It'll never be collectible by the sorts of people who collect and polish their things with a diaper.

And that's a good thing. Thanks to the magic of the internet and good ol nissan forward parts compatability there's nothing that can be bent or broken that can't be readily replaced. I reckon i'd be throwing the same chunk of $ down a hole regardless of what i decide to race. Seats/hans/helmet/harnesses/entry fees are fixed costs more or less :|

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This thread is heading toward derailment again :|


I'm just drivin' the D til the snow flies, so i got that going for me, which is nice.

Is there a general consensus on ride height for a rally datsun? stock? x" higher?

In nearly all car---nearly---I advise to try and keep them fairly near standard ride height for smooth gravel and maybe just a smidge-ola higher if you use big mondo fat tires---which is really a plague in North America (absurdly oversized tires for the Weight/BHP/speed people drive that is)

All car suspension pivots from somewhere and uses arms or link the movement of which describes arcs---we really don't want to fuck up the "average" position of where those arms are by excess raising ---and as for silly lowering, we all know how stoooopid that is....we want those arms so that the arcs are describing sorta the most linear up and down part of the arc---cause all the shocks and struts just sorta go linear in and out...
Claro?

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All car suspension pivots from somewhere and uses arms or link the movement of which describes arcs---we really don't want to fuck up the "average" position of where those arms are by excess raising ---and as for silly lowering, we all know how stoooopid that is....we want those arms so that the arcs are describing sorta the most linear up and down part of the arc---cause all the shocks and struts just sorta go linear in and out...
Claro?

Werd to the big bird.

I have an un-cut rear crossmember on the car in yon weeds that will replace the slotted and lowered one on the car currently.

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All car suspension pivots from somewhere and uses arms or link the movement of which describes arcs---we really don't want to fuck up the "average" position of where those arms are by excess raising ---and as for silly lowering, we all know how stoooopid that is....we want those arms so that the arcs are describing sorta the most linear up and down part of the arc---cause all the shocks and struts just sorta go linear in and out...
Claro?

Werd to the big bird.

I have an un-cut rear crossmember on the car in yon weeds that will replace the slotted and lowered one on the car currently.

Well I have to say, Iäve driven plenty of strut cars on gravel and maybe Iäve been lucky that weäre on gravel and not afflicted with lowering mania but as time has gone on eventually I learned a bit+++just a bit+++about why lowering usually works out so shitty for most guuys ooop[s still had the wrong language keyboard set---he he

It REALLY was trying to help my old 510 buddies way back that got me looking at car lengths, and component lengths---things that were under hard scrutiny when i raced moto-cross professionally (we cut and welded up swing arms on everything starting in about 1972, and wheelbases grew from around 56" to, on the fast Continental tracks anyway, about 60" and all that was swing arm length---which was very simple to do) and began to see that short wheelbase cars with hard to mod things like IRS were kinda a problem---Gene was smarter than he realised back then using the solid axle shit under his cars---and as much as I suggested to 510 guys to THINK that NOTHING successful RWD was IRS especially the coolest car in human history: Ford Escort....nobody ever ditched their IRS...

But I'm telling you, the short length of those rear arms is a major pain for a gravel car...

But work with me and I'm sure we can get it working better than anybody used to just cause I ain't a "car guy", I'm a loose surface bike guy and I know what works on loose.

Going along with JVLs above statement , we actually looked at swapping the 510 wagon tub under a sedan to gain the solid axle. Wouldn't be that hard to do and then you have the bonus of using 620 gearsets and LSDs, lockers or spools. Or Dana diffs....


edit..my business partner built a screamer L20B 510 wagon back in the day. He ran a Monte Carlo tsd behind a rally one weekend and smoked the majority of the actual rally cars.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2010 11:18AM by heymagic.

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Going along with JVLs above statement , we actually looked at swapping the 510 wagon tub under a sedan to gain the solid axle. Wouldn't be that hard to do and then you have the bonus of using 620 gearsets and LSDs, lockers or spools. Or Dana diffs....


edit..my business partner built a screamer L20B 510 wagon back in the day. He ran a Monte Carlo tsd behind a rally one weekend and smoked the majority of the actual rally cars.

That was my first event April 1984, he was 2 cars ahead and the guy 1 minute ahead was in a normal 510, and we looked at the results when they were mailed out a few weeks later and couldn't belive that a fawkin wagon with solid axle could go that fast.
And yet when i brought that result up top all the 510 boys I was helping, nobody would consider it despite that excellent example---and the solid axle in the Escorts...


you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make 'em think.
(zat how the ol' saying goes?)

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Going along with JVLs above statement , we actually looked at swapping the 510 wagon tub under a sedan to gain the solid axle. Wouldn't be that hard to do and then you have the bonus of using 620 gearsets and LSDs, lockers or spools. Or Dana diffs....


edit..my business partner built a screamer L20B 510 wagon back in the day. He ran a Monte Carlo tsd behind a rally one weekend and smoked the majority of the actual rally cars.

That was my first event April 1984, he was 2 cars ahead and the guy 1 minute ahead was in a normal 510, and we looked at the results when they were mailed out a few weeks later and couldn't belive that a fawkin wagon with solid axle could go that fast.
And yet when i brought that result up top all the 510 boys I was helping, nobody would consider it despite that excellent example---and the solid axle in the Escorts...


you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make 'em think.
(zat how the ol' saying goes?)

That was his first dirt event as a driver. He co-drove previously a bit and mostly was a very good AutoX'r. I saw that old wagon a few years ago and it was still banging around. I kinda think it went to Alaska for a while but my memory.....

http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1973-Datsun-510-2-door-race-project-W0QQAdIdZ231246374

I will let the cage experts weigh in.. but aside from no gussets, this looks to be an almost compliant cage..

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http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1973-Datsun-510-2-door-race-project-W0QQAdIdZ231246374

I will let the cage experts weigh in.. but aside from no gussets, this looks to be an almost compliant cage..

Not bad, not bad . Only a few extraneous tubes going nowhere, mitigating or resolving nothing but hey what did they invent sawz-alls for is not to chop out dead weigh out of nice projects..
Still the dreaded-"no-better-than-dragging-a-stick-against-the-tire" steering box, but racks are easy installs (the easiest rack to find AND know you could replace the guts when damage occurs is of course the Ford Escort MkII 2.5 rack, just swap the knuckles left to right and off you go and they're under $200 all day long---it's a crime nobody has do it when its sooooooooooooooooooooooooo simple)

nice starting point there on that car. the flames would have to go though. Bad luck on a race car i think. (insert ironic picture of car with flamin' paintjob on fire) no drivetrain? no problem. SR20 power.

Still though, it ain't gonna cost that kinda green to do a cage on the car i already have.

OTOH, I <3 my sawzall and that part of canuckistan is only aboot 6 hours away from me and registering an old heap like that in the US isn't a big deal.


aaaah ... and then there is that stupid steering thing again... what's the track width on an mk2 escort Mr. JV?

1. Relocate front facing TC rods to rear
2. convert to forward facing steering knuckle-doos
3. Re-jigger the angle and length of said steering knuckles.
4. Profit!

If it helps, the ad has been around for quite some time.

We don't have a 510 scene here.. they're basically all gone. I've maybe seen 6 in the flesh.. and I've got my eyes open.

3k might get it on the trailer.

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dirty_d
nice starting point there on that car. the flames would have to go though. Bad luck on a race car i think. (insert ironic picture of car with flamin' paintjob on fire) no drivetrain? no problem. SR20 power.

Still though, it ain't gonna cost that kinda green to do a cage on the car i already have.

OTOH, I <3 my sawzall and that part of canuckistan is only aboot 6 hours away from me and registering an old heap like that in the US isn't a big deal.


aaaah ... and then there is that stupid steering thing again... what's the track width on an mk2 escort Mr. JV?

1. Relocate front facing TC rods to rear
2. convert to forward facing steering knuckle-doos
3. Re-jigger the angle and length of said steering knuckles.
4. Profit!

MkII track is about hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm taht much.
(psssst! I think it might have to do with if it's a 1.1 motor with 4.5" steelies or a rip snortin', a-roootin an d a-tooting, meanest hombre that side of the Pecos river, double throw down wicked thing with8" wide Minilights...

BUT the distance---or or less cause we can change that by welding a plate and drilling a hole---from the control arm inner pivot bolt to pivot bolt is the more important-er---compared with the distance on the rack bar where the inner end of the tie rods pivot...
And we can find that out.

I didn't seem to see any indication as to what type or size the tubing in the cage was. Also, you might need to add at least a diagonal in the roof. It's been so long since I've looked at cage rules, I don't remember for certain whether you need a roof diagonal to be grandfathered in.