Dual master cylinders on a Mk2 Golf?

I'm thinking about running dual master cylinder/balance bar on my Mk2 Golf. The plan so far is to run the stock 10.1" front calipers and Mk4 rear calipers. I've seen suggestions for sizing on this board and other places on the net. But I'm wondering about the following:

- can the stock pedal set be used? Yeah getting floor-mounted pedals would be nice but then I'd have to go with a cable-shift gearbox.

- how to mount up the master cylinders to the firewall?

Has anyone around here run dual masters on their Golf present or past who can offer advice?

Thanks!
Chris

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Mr. K
I'm thinking about running dual master cylinder/balance bar on my Mk2 Golf. The plan so far is to run the stock 10.1" front calipers and Mk4 rear calipers. I've seen suggestions for sizing on this board and other places on the net. But I'm wondering about the following:

- can the stock pedal set be used? Yeah getting floor-mounted pedals would be nice but then I'd have to go with a cable-shift gearbox.

- how to mount up the master cylinders to the firewall?

Has anyone around here run dual masters on their Golf present or past who can offer advice?

Thanks!
Chris

Ya know, the only cars i've driven with floor mounts---old VW bugs and way old Saabs, and some 'merikun Pick ups from the early 50s sucked big time. The arc was bad so fawkit, use the existing pedals, why snot?

Not done Golf but a firewall is a firewall and a pedal by any other name is still a pedal..

What's the problem?

Hi John,

No problem really, just haven't seen how it's done up close and was hoping some people could shed some light on it.

I didn't mind the floor-mounted pedals on old VW Bugs, BMW 2002s and the like once I got used to them, at least on the street.

Thanks,
Chris

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Mr. K
Hi John,

No problem really, just haven't seen how it's done up close and was hoping some people could shed some light on it.

I didn't mind the floor-mounted pedals on old VW Bugs, BMW 2002s and the like once I got used to them, at least on the street.

Thanks,
Chris

Search around here for piccies of Kevin Hawlinson Volv.
There's a panel that unbolts from the firewall in the240 so we just pulled the panel and slung it in the vise and modded the box and pedal and set it up and threw it back in...
Lemme look for some Xratty mods--I think everybody in Europe buys in the pedal assemblies, they are very similar...
But right now I's gotta get down to the machine shop--way behind on suspension I making for guys---one is a '65 Cortina gravel set up and the other extreme is a BMW 318 coupe thang...
What you have on the Golf---or have planned?

I've got dual masters on my VW. I believe it's the stock pedal box. Art Burmeister built the car, so I don't know all the details, but I can take some pics.

MCs mounted to the firewall, remote reservoirs mounted to the strut bar.


Inside, the stock pedals were modified to have both MCs come through and the mounting point was welded on to the brake pedal. I don't have a bias bar, so bias is adjusted by changing the bolts on the block (not at all ideal). As you can tell, I had to lengthen the arm on the front MC considerably to get it right, which required "modifying" the clutch.




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http://www.compbrake.co.uk/PEDALBOXES/PEDALBOXES1.html

http://www.tjmotorsport.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=PB04MK2&PHPSESSID=8b0450b1e47593817c433b1b49a9876f

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/optimumbalanceproductsLtd/VW-Golf-Track-Pro-Pedal-Box-/_i.html?_fsub=1016669014

http://www.compbrake.co.uk/Cars/VW/Golf-MK2/VW-GOLF-MK2-LHD-PEDAL-BOX/prod_688.html

Etc. Etc.

Also look at DemonTweeks.co.uk and raldes.co.uk although I understand that Rally Design won't ship to the States for insurance reasons.

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wvonkessler
http://www.compbrake.co.uk/Cars/VW/Golf-MK2/VW-GOLF-MK2-LHD-PEDAL-BOX/prod_688.html

thanks for the link. It's not a VW but I've been planning on dual masters for the subie, had a plan in place but am going to go a completely different direction based on this:

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wvonkessler
http://www.compbrake.co.uk/PEDALBOXES/PEDALBOXES1.html

http://www.tjmotorsport.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=PB04MK2&PHPSESSID=8b0450b1e47593817c433b1b49a9876f

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/optimumbalanceproductsLtd/VW-Golf-Track-Pro-Pedal-Box-/_i.html?_fsub=1016669014

http://www.compbrake.co.uk/Cars/VW/Golf-MK2/VW-GOLF-MK2-LHD-PEDAL-BOX/prod_688.html

Etc. Etc.

Also look at DemonTweeks.co.uk and raldes.co.uk although I understand that Rally Design won't ship to the States for insurance reasons.

Guess you like spending LOTS of money for a bit o sheet metal, eh?


Folks!
Modding the existing pedal box is EASY, welding a sleeve into the pedal is EASY!!!


What the fawk!

Do I have to go find the detail instructions with dimensions for you?

Anybody search?

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john vanlandingham

Guess you like spending LOTS of money for a bit o sheet metal, eh?

nope... just finding things on the internet to copy. change in design will save me $1rallytyre.

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john vanlandingham

Guess you like spending LOTS of money for a bit o sheet metal, eh?

Folks!
Modding the existing pedal box is EASY, welding a sleeve into the pedal is EASY!!!

What the fawk!

Do I have to go find the detail instructions with dimensions for you?

Anybody search?

Time=$$. Already engineered with proper MCs.

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wvonkessler

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john vanlandingham

Guess you like spending LOTS of money for a bit o sheet metal, eh?

Folks!
Modding the existing pedal box is EASY, welding a sleeve into the pedal is EASY!!!

What the fawk!

Do I have to go find the detail instructions with dimensions for you?

Anybody search?

Time=$$. Already engineered with proper MCs.

Hundreds of dollars for $3 steel?
Bad investment/return ratio

And howdya know what its "engineered' to or for?

Or that it's any better than anything available from local vendors?

John, what he is trying to say is this;

Start a stop watch the SECOND you start working on a pedal box. This means calling up or going online to order the steel. If you have to drive to get the steel, be sure to factor in the gas money.

Now, every time you take a break, stop the clock, and obviously start it when you start back up again. Add up all the minutes you spent building it. Include time for the paint to dry. Also, dont forget electricity costs (overhead, and all [but we'll just assume you were gifted the tools, and car should you have to pick it up, just for simplicity])

Now, once you have a total minute time, divide that by 60. You know have your total build time in hours. Now multiply THAT by how much you think your time is worth.

If you come out more expensive then the part you could buy for 139 euros plus shipping, then it's cheaper to buy it. If you are less, then you're 100 per cent right, its cheaper to build it.

It just comes down to what your time is worth.

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Dazed_Driver
Start a stop watch the SECOND you start working on a pedal box. This means calling up or going online to order the steel. If you have to drive to get the steel, be sure to factor in the gas money.

Now, every time you take a break, stop the clock, and obviously start it when you start back up again. Add up all the minutes you spent building it. Include time for the paint to dry. Also, dont forget electricity costs (overhead, and all [but we'll just assume you were gifted the tools, and car should you have to pick it up, just for simplicity])

Now, once you have a total minute time, divide that by 60. You know have your total build time in hours. Now multiply THAT by how much you think your time is worth.

If you come out more expensive then the part you could buy for 139 euros plus shipping, then it's cheaper to buy it. If you are less, then you're 100 per cent right, its cheaper to build it.

It just comes down to what your time is worth.

The only flaw in that thinking is that you have to be able to make that money with that extra time. I have used this argument before to justify buying things I could have probably saved a few hundred and fabricated including my brake bias box. But I went and got a job in the evening working at a sushi bar and brought in an extra grand a month that went 100% or so towards buying parts.
If you can't be making money during that time then you can't bill yourself for that time.

Well, you could be doing OTHER things, though. So while your not making money, its better use of your time if you say, have to do some stitch welding, or wire wheeling, or roll cage work. Things you can't just order online. At least thats how I justify that, lol. If you consider building your car for yourself and billing yourself for the time, would you rather build two things and be charged more for labor, or charge less labor to yourself and buy more in parts. Same monetary expenditure, less work. Assuming you put a reasonable price on your labor, lol.

The wage I put on my free time is around $75 per hour. Yet I have painted the entire interior of the house. I clean my own house. I mow my own yard.
By your logic, this is all stupid and I should be paying someone else to do it.

The best way to learn about something is to do it yourself. Paying someone else to do something for you does not teach you anything.

On the other hand, time/labor isn't free. I've seen people do a ton of stupid and custom shit on a car because the labor was free. All they ended up doing is burning themselves out and making a nightmare car that I had buyer's remorse for whoever ended up buying their car the second it was listed. It was a cool car with a ton of custom stuff, but the new buyer was not capable of maintaining that.

Then I've also seen 'fabricated' things that are just scary.



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