NoCoast Grant Hughes Infallible Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Well, I'd say suspension and then a viscous rear diff from a RS if you're going to open light. AWD and JVAB suspension is pretty much the same. I personally love John's suspension. AWD's is JVAB copies and he's sometimes limited at getting inserts probably due to John buying them all and being a bigger market to Bilstein and thus you have less waiting. My old codriver got Barrett's and it's just a different color than John's and took quite a few months for Scott to get. John is easily accessible and has equipped more privateers at this point than just about anyone else out there. 4 inches! Yikes! That may be okay so far for you, but with AWD you'll likely gain more speed and start running into issues with that! |
heymagic Banned Ultra Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
KSport is trackday stuff. I realise you haven't the experience to compare accurately, but it is. I think the AWD would balance the lack of a rear limited slip diff to a great degree but I don't know that for a fact. A bit of wrecking yard shopping can get affordable LSDs. You can't find good suspension in a wrecking yard. When you can leave the throttle pinned, not worry much about chuck holes and ruts, or damaging the car, you'll be way faster. JVL's been around forever ( he started out building leather springs for stage coaches) and he isn't going away any time soon (we've tried...). I would go that route first.
JVAB gears LSD then turbo, new trans, 'nuther turbo, nuther trans , nuther long block, nuther turbo and so on. Eventually sell everything off and buy an old Volvo..but that is years away ![]() |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Well you gotta think hard about advantages and disadvantages of JVAB Soooper Bitchin Suspenders vs the other ones. I saw he himself pointing out all the differences which exlpains the approximately $800 difference: he has somebody tig weld on the ears, I mig weld them, he sends them out for powdercoating, i use self etching primer and engine enamel. There's other minor differences such as I make the ears so they bend outwards and being to wrap around the tube making in effect a gusset, and a significantly stronger part than merely welding the ear directly to the tube. Second I make the travel in front 190mm and in back 210mm, from what I can tell his from everything i can see are the same front and rear---and I know 210 is very difficult to accommodate in the front so I presume the travel on both ends is shorter. Also I make dead certain the bolt holes are correct, the ears are parallel, the slot distance is right so you can slide the fawkers on and straight. but these are minor improvements hardly worth mentioning when you think that you get TiG welded ears and real powder coating ---that's definitely worth an addition $800. ![]() As for diffs or suspenders: good diffs means you go faster cause you hook up and GO, if you go faster then the need for acceptable quality suspenders goes up. I say you can fake diffs and you can snag good ones as opportunity buys, but good suspenders is hard to find worth a shit second hand----it's mostly too short, too stiffly sprung and wrong damping. |
Do It Sidewayz Chris Martin Elite Moderator Location: Toronto, Ontario Join Date: 01/15/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 567 Rally Car: E-85 powered Impreza |
I will retract my previous 4.44 R&P solution.
I figured that everything else was already "optimized" Get yourself good suspenders. I personally ran John's stuff to a Regional Championship, and solid top 5-10 national in a very competitive open class (much more competitive than RA). Lasts well if you take care of it (just regrease every 2nd event). As for diffs, i would not recommend running an LSD front diff, with a stock center diff, and an open rear. At the very least, find yourself a viscous LSD from an RS, Outback, or Forester, they can be had cheap, get one in the car when you put all this stuff in, and really enjoy it. 2nd on the list of upgrade path for diff would be the center diff. |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Mega Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
aaah, 190 mm of travel versus 100 .. WOW might not have popped my tires on my gorman "landing" if i had all that travel... wow
ya actually nothing is Optimized, except for my Brakes according to CRS:GT class rules. hmm okay so i need to figure out how to work out a payment plan for suspension.. lol ![]() If it comes down to open rear, or welded rear , and both cost the same... welded? or just leave it open and wait for a Viscous Rear, or a clutch rear. and how much better is a plate clutch , versus viscous . for a privateer trying to win @ the regional ? ![]() ![]() |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Payment plan? better call. I do do them but--> I'm suffering from sending a set of Nissan Sentra struts on the 7th of September to a guy out East who after his last call saying "I neeeeeeeed them quick cause Black River Stages is coming" has not bothered to communicate since---or pay his remaining bill of $1668. 4 months. No possible excuse for no communication, no payment. I cannot have that happen again. Now I way prefer clutch plate diff over all others, but I am assured that a properly set up viscous works fine. Problem is in this continenent I know no place that opens the VCs up and changes the settings and the fluid--which is about the consistency of Never-seize to thicker fluid. So that basically leaves us with clutch plate of welded. RWD can survive just fine with welded since real set up is damn near locked anyway. FWD I don't think so. |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Mega Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
ah the car is AWD, and i'm talking about the rear Diff.
I'll give you a call and see what can be done before Desert Storm, or high desert trails if Desert Storm isn't do-able. wow, i was thinking more of how much do i need to put down for you to start building them , pay off before delivery . not have them shipped me to and make payments . I can't stand oweing money , having debts (ya bad hobby for that ) lol Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2011 01:31PM by A1337STI. |
Jon Burke Jon Burke Mega Moderator Location: San Francisco, CA Join Date: 01/03/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,402 Rally Car: Subaru w/<1000 crashes |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah? Well due to the actions of that one guy in NYC who hasn't paid for the stuff I sent back on September 7 via 3 Day UPS 9and I covered half the difference between UPS ground and UPS 3 Day--the difference was about 99 bucks) so he's have the nice Nissan Sentra struts 10 days before Black River Stages--and hence a chance to get them installed, and set before going, I will not send things down the road without full payment.. And after virtually 4 months of no communications, no payment, I consider it theft, but lucky me, a badd-ass NYC cop who used to work Narcotics and Fraud I know called and needs Cossie parts, and we discussed what avenues are opened. He's serious. But thanks for the offer. ![]() |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Mega Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
Damn uber shitty, Well hopefully your new found Cop friend can help fix up your situation.
you could probably sue in a washington court, putting the theft into the situation where he has to either fly to WA to defend his case, or not show up and lose. which would probably result in him having an outstanding warrent in WA, not sure if he'de ever get nabbed if he never visits WA though... :\ anywho ya i'll give you a jingle and see what's shaking. grr no voice mail / answering machine... ![]() PM Sent .. ![]() Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2011 02:43PM by A1337STI. |
heymagic Banned Ultra Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
It is a civil matter, not criminal at this point. The guy violated an agreement. If he had taken the struts in the middle of the nite from JVs yard that is different. Hard to prove fraud even as the guy may say JV gave him the struts for sponsorship or some such non-sense. Small claims in our state is difficult, you have to sue in the county the guy lives in, not sure about out of state. Probably have to sue back east. Even if you do sue and win you have nothing more than a paper judgement. Collecting is still very hard to do. This is a tough thing for small business. One of my local competitors has about $30-40 k on his books. I have about $1k out. I'll get paid, he likely won't. I'll get a new customer call up wanting to charge repairs. I simply suggest they go to the bank and get their car worked on..they usually make the connection. If not I send them to the guy across town ![]() |