Blklist Motor Sports was the name of the shop. It's a really shitty deal. I dropped the car off 2 months before I left for this deployment and told them it had to be done before I left. Time comes for me to leave and they were like it will only be another week maybe two and we will bring the car to your house. Then they just kept making up lies on why it wasn't done. So over 5 months now just to find out the only thing it's good for is the scrapper. Really frustrating.

did you see the car before you left?

Deep breath....the cage in the pics looks like it was bent up pretty ok. A pillar bar looks ok in the pic, but those can easily be cut out and fixed. Same with gussets, welds and patches. So maybe it just needs a bit of clean up and re-roofed. Still shopuld be easily doable for any of us over here. Maybe you should work on getting whatever jingle you can from the ham-handed cage installers and see if you can get the car over this way. If nothing else I'll repair for something more than reasonable since you aren't standing on a street corner with a hoodie, ski mask and a spray can of paint....







fuckin hacks...

Dan i am still firmly on the buy the integra bandwagon, but if you buy a car that drives i am more then willing to bring it where ever it needs to go.

You don't think the burn through in the floor is too big of a deal? In the third picture(of the original post) I posted you can see where the A pillar bar bends in. I will try get some more pictures emailed to me but this is what I have for now.

Greg yes I saw the car before I left. Very little was fully welded yet at that time. What you see in the pictures is what was done.



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Deep breath....the cage in the pics looks like it was bent up pretty ok. A pillar bar looks ok in the pic, but those can easily be cut out and fixed. Same with gussets, welds and patches. So maybe it just needs a bit of clean up and re-roofed. Still shopuld be easily doable for any of us over here. Maybe you should work on getting whatever jingle you can from the ham-handed cage installers and see if you can get the car over this way. If nothing else I'll repair for something more than reasonable since you aren't standing on a street corner with a hoodie, ski mask and a spray can of paint....







fuckin hacks...

I'm with Gene, judging by the pics it doesn't look that bad. Certainly fixable. Of course, it can be hard to see the details in photos and may look worse up close but I reckon that can be saved and a whole lot cheaper than starting over from scratch. When Viktor rolled his Audi the cage bent and I had to section in a whole new side lateral and windshield bar and put on a new roof from the pillars up, so it's really not that big a deal to cut out a couple crappy bars and replace them. Better than buying a whole new car and starting over.

Is those guys these guys?

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f110/t119633-buyer-beware-xmoshx-mike-treasure-nampa-idaho-blacklist-motorsports.html

From what I can tell the welding looks alright. The floor plates need some beefing up (vertical plates to tie into the sills) but that's easy. Burned through the floor? So what, that's easily welded, plated, whatever. When you say the A-pillar bar bends in do you mean how the A-pillar support bar is not lined up perfectly straight through the door bar? With the gussets I don't think it's that big of a deal, maybe Gene can chime in here. In fact that my be necessary to fit the dash in, I don't know. It's not the best cage I've ever seen but it's far from the worst, in fact it doesn't look bad at all, although I'd want to inspect all the welds just to be sure. I would go as far as to say there are worse cages out there with logbooks that are currently rallying. There is nothing here that isn't fixable.

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Is those guys these guys?

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f110/t119633-buyer-beware-xmoshx-mike-treasure-nampa-idaho-blacklist-motorsports.html

Appears to be one and the same.


Dan, anything I can do to help, let me know. I'd wager a couple of dollars that thing can be fixed (i'm not an egg spurt). I know anthony says it can't be but it's not his investment. I think some creativity could salvage this. Remember you can extend cage bars if you need to cut out and replace a floor plate, you just have to do it properly. Get your own eyes on it before you make any rash decisions.

I just can't see the big issue with the A pillar bar (old guy eyes).....

Welding and plating is easy stuff. I just can't see enough stuff to scrap the shell over but its your nickel. I don't have time to go get it but someone could borrow my trailer. I'd guess that ir could be fixed in a day or two if need be.

Dan. Step away from the gargoyle. That's good... Back away from that edge. Okay. Good. ow, deep breaths... You're going to be fine. Cage is probably fine. Maybe a little clean up here and there and some refinement needed but once you get a coat of paint on it, you'll be perfectly good and more importantly, likely plenty safe.
I don't see anything on the cage pics that is catastrophic or even worth worrying over. Assess it when you get back from the desert! I'd bet it's going to be fine and easily resolved.

Thanks for the input everyone! Grant yeah that looks like the same guys. I am going to wait a few days and have Gene talk to the guy that inspected the cage. If he still thinks it can be fixed then I will have to figure something out. When I get them I will post up the rest of the pictures.



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Devil is in the details... I can really tell if the welds are good, but yeah looks to me like you can fix most of the issues. Isn't the best job for sure, but could be worse. I think you can salvage it.

Ya know, horrible as it sounds , you have to consider the body as a "wear item".
Drive like we should be and the shell---and the attached cage---is a whisker away for getting all used up..

It's job is to maybe save your life, and if not that then save the shell in the meantime...

These days I think many want the cage and shell to be a work of art....
In this case ratchet down and go with the "pretty damn good" standard, and make it work.

Then drive like a maniac and when you flip it, your next shell should be ready.

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this was reviewed by one of of the license scrutineers for RA, or is it NASA? either way, i was there for the review and here is what the pictures dont really show that well.

1. the Pass. side A bar has a "S" bend in it at the roof before the bend that follows along the A pillar. totalling i believe four bends in the bar. Would have to completely redone from scratch.

2. Vast majority of the welds were not complete. Either missed or the didnt weld the all the way around. Some as few as 50%. This is mostly due bars being bent or cut tight to the body, but with no way to weld together. Many welds were also randomly dreadul with low penetration, ie "bird shit" welds.

3. roof was CUT off, then welded back on, poorly.

4. Cage is welded at the edges of the floor plates, and against the sills, to the main hoop and other A bar would have to be removed before the plates could be updated.

5. Gussets were not of legal length.

6. seats mounts were outright terrible. I almost dont even want to begin on that...

7. the roof bar on the drivers side doesnt line up to the bar extending through to the other side.


basically, most of the bars, would have to be replaced. Probably the main hoop and the drivers side A bar could be saved. The rest would need remade from scratch. It was all 1.75 as well and 1.5 would need to be going in for many of the bars. Welds were bad, the base plates were worse, the rear plates had no reinforcement for the tops of the struts. the rest of the chassis prep was bad, welding right over paint, tar, etc. the amount of time to remove everything to save a main hood just isnt worth it.