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it is not a rally car it is infact being built for pavement only more specifically for pikes peak i dont think a 500 + hp FF car would do to good at rally lol

at this point the car is not just for racing solely it will need to look good as well in order for us to attract sponsorships and keep it on the road and because no one wants to spend this kind of money to have something that they are not proud of

I've won at Pikes Peak. Dave Kern built a new BMW Compact to rally. He has sponsors and finds new ones occasionally for his Pikes Peak Evo but I bet he still spends like $10k or more per year out of pocket on the Evo and hill climb.

The point of the car is to race it. If you do well and are lucky you might, might land some sponsorship. If you're insanely lucky, you might beat the odds, probably comparable to odds of winning powerball and actually make a career of some kind out of this. Highly unlikely though. Tanner Foust has done it. His parents are also both doctors. He also had enough money to rent rides, work for pennies to work at driving schools, abandon personal life, etc. He up and moved to California, started living with Rhys Millen and probably networking and learning as much as possible to make it work. I've heard he even has a kid somewhere that probably gets neglected for his career.

More than likely, you realize how idiotic and overly ambitious it is to start out with big power goals and dreams of becoming a full time race car driver. Hopefully this is before you've maxed out credit cards, ruined the relationship between you and your high school sweetie by totally neglecting her, piled up a 100k in student loan debt, and are living off of Ramen noodles and PB sandwiches because you're now 30 years old with no real skills and a shit ton of debt. You'll have much more success in life if you instead focus on your life, living below your means, finding a decent paying and secure career, and then focusing on racing. Go check out the marketing stats on Rally America's site. Competitors tend to be older in rallying. There's also an amazing amount of graduate degrees among drivers. Lots of engineers and computer/tech guys.

The most successful drivers in the USA are not people like Moro, Iorio, Keeney, Pastrana, or Block. Those guys have limited staying power. They either run out of money, realize that there is not enough money to sustain that lifestyle, get distracted by other things that might actually make some money, etc. The real successful people are the ones that are competing year after year. Sometimes it's one event per year. Sometimes it's 3-5. It's almost always mostly within their own region. Some of them have been rumored to be working via a cell phone on transits. Most of them have careers that are completely unrelated to cars. The guys that really impress me most are the people that rally, have good careers, and have families, especially when they have young kids. That is always impressive and something I look forward to making happen eventually.

And now, back to my thesis proposal, which conveniently is related to my job so I'm also getting paid to work on finishing my graduate degree today. Which once I graduate in December will also result in higher earnings for the rest of my life.

Pike's Peak is cool. On the other hand, they are not like rally where they will accept anyone. Show up with a 500 hp Honda and no documented previous racing experience and they may reject the entry.
Dan would be much better off getting the car into good shape and running a few events. Mt. Hood, Oregon Trail, Idaho, etc. Do track days whenever possible. Get the car well sorted. Then start thinking about Pike's Peak.
Follow Ryan McLaughlin there this year. He's done a few events and decided to do Pike's Peak this year so turbocharged and spent a ton of money on his Integra. It is quite likely that he will be plagued with problems. People often are and the more power, the bigger the problems.

Want a fun challenge. Calculate what a turbo has to do differently from the bottom at 8000 feet to the last few miles at 13000 to 14000 feet just to maintain the same amount of boost. You can assume humidity and temperature are constant and don't also drop to make it a little easier.

In 2004 we barely completed any practice runs and did not finish on race day at Pikes Peak. The whole next year was all about sorting the car. Three weeks before the event was the Monarch Mountain Hill Climb. We literally did not drive the car under it's own power back to the start line the entire weekend. We did tire testing. When the actual event came around we only blew one turbo and had to spend about $2k to get one shipped to us. We were luckier than the RS200 team that spent $5k to overnight a turbo from Garrett only to blow the engine and have to get their spare from London onto a plane and overnighted to them as well. They claimed it to be a $50k morning. Dave Kern is on his how ever manyith year. He had a not so good year last year. They haven't done any racing with the Evo this year trying to get it perfect and saving it for the event. Hopefully it goes well for them.

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I'm done....


we need a dumass filter on this website or it's going to turn into every other chrome intaked, flat billed, 1000hp forum out there

Daaaayum Gene, right there you got it and don't even recognize it!!

CHROME IT!!!!!
Problem solved.

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Ill get the pics and what we were told ASAP by the scrutineer just some things to keep in mind about the car

it is not a rally car it is infact being built for pavement only more specifically for pikes peak i dont think a 500 + hp FF car would do to good at rally lol

the entire cage was done in 1.75 making it heavier and giving us alot less space to work with inside the car

at this point the car is not just for racing solely it will need to look good as well in order for us to attract sponsorships and keep it on the road and because no one wants to spend this kind of money to have something that they are not proud of

the cage isnt the only thing that is wrong with the chassis ATM the same people also attempted to do some seam welding that turned into a disaster and will also all have to be ground down and redone

dont get me started on the roof or the seatmounts

anyway i hope this gives you a little more direction on what the overall goal of the car is

I'm done....


we need a dumass filter on this website or it's going to turn into every other chrome intaked, flat billed, 1000hp forum out there

I'm with you, Gene. We tried, we really did, but obviously they are way smarter than us.

Approximately one inch of manifold pressure loss per 1000 feet, which is about .5 psi. Factor in the density loss, and it is quite a bit more effort....

Wow this thread got a little crazy.

First off 500 HP is a bit...ambitious haha.

I've already sent a pm to Gene asking him to talk with the guy that inspected it. When I hear back from that I will go from there. If it's fixable and will save a good amount of money then it's an obvious decision for me. I have a few leads on shells if not.

Grant don't worry I definitely plan to get some more experience before I attempt PP. I've done 5 local hill climbs and will get a bunch of track time and another hill climb or two in first. I want to learn how to drive the car before I go to an event like PP. My plan was to try for PP 2012 but I am thinking I should get more seat time in first. I'll stick to codriving for rally for the time being. If I blow up this motor I might throw a stock d series in it and learn to drive on the dirt.

I don't have any aspirations of big sponsors/making a living racing. I know at this point the most I could hope for is discounts on parts and maybe if I'm really lucky a free part or two.

Who's smart enough to figure out the shaft RPM of a turbocharger though?
I seem to have this vague recollection of hearing a team once (probably the Mach2 RS200 guys) say that the turbocharger had to spin 10X as much to deliver the same boost level from the bottom to the top. I just remember that the turbo seemed to kinda disappear as we got higher.

Well I decided before I do anything I am going to wait until I get back. I don't want to make friends tow the car all over the place to have stuff done. This might as well be a dead thread.

Ooops, I meant...

If Gene is still looking.....

As for the 's bend' in the half laterals. They can bee seen in the early pix. These could be solved by adding some lagre clamshell gussets (made of about 1/8 inch thck material) between them and the windshield header bar, on the back side. IN this way, it wil make that whole tirangular area one rigid area and will make the bend over the doors inconsequential.

As for the small offset in the cut bar in the driver's side X bar, this offset is of a small size, and looks to be gussted with some stout material, such that it will not make any differnece in a side impact. An offset is only really important for carrying loads axially THROUGH the cut bar and the intervening uncut bar. The only real issue with this is not structural; it is the fact that one wil be hassled about it form time to time at event tech.

I would try to work at saving this one, espcially since it is 1-3/4" tubing.

Mark B.

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Chump Car:
Subaru Impreza - Legal as is.
Stock engine and transmission. By stock I mean 2.2 bottom end.
JVAB struts for rallying, stock for Chump car.
4 pot brakes front and two pot rear with Porterfield pads will fit the 2X Chump car rule and be more than enough for rallying.
That's it. Open Light for rallying and just swap struts (like 20 minute job) to run Chump car events.
That's the formula I'm working from to grow rallying in Colorado. Cheap and affordable to build/maintain and able to be used in both Colorado Chump Car events as well as the 2-4 rally sprint events and one full length stage rally I want to organize in the region. Top driver from the series gets a fully paid entry to either 100AW, Idaho or Ojibwe in our top spec Open Light car. Two additional spots on the wedge trailer are available to any team that competes in the series for $500 per event. Just have to finish my Master's degree this fall so that I have that forever and can afford to dedicate more time and energy to rallyistic endeavors.

i like the way you think grant, i am hoping to be able to use my impreza in the chump races at BIR when it is done.

a few rallycrosses, 2 chump weekends, 2 C1 rallies, 2 C3 rallies and perhaps a trip out to LSPR. that would be a good season.

I'm not doing anything until Oct.