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Another RWD car joins the fray

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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 11:19AM
Dave,

That car looks really nice!

I have a couple of questions and comments that I would like to get your thoughts on:

Are the control arms aluminum? They look a bit light.

The rear mounts for the control arms only have two bolts? They do not look well supported.

The lower mounting points for the rear struts are in single shear. Do you think that they are strong enough?

Is there a reason why the tie rod ends look like wet spaghetti?

I have no experience with newer BMWs. How do you feel about the design, strength and durability?



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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 01:23PM
What suspension is that?
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 02:31PM
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What suspension is that?

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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 05:17PM
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Dave,

That car looks really nice!

I have a couple of questions and comments that I would like to get your thoughts on:

Are the control arms aluminum? They look a bit light.

The rear mounts for the control arms only have two bolts? They do not look well supported.

The lower mounting points for the rear struts are in single shear. Do you think that they are strong enough?

Is there a reason why the tie rod ends look like wet spaghetti?

I have no experience with newer BMWs. How do you feel about the design, strength and durability?

Control arms are steel. The mounting system is a bit bizarre and probably a weak point but so far no issues even on the rough Oregon stages. Actually, the rubber bushes in the front control arm rear mounts tore probably due to being subjected to much more travel than they were designed for but we'll replace those with urethane.

The lower rear shock mounts make me nervous but again, so far so good. There are plenty of hard driven cars in Finland using this same setup and they do more jumps than we do so I guess it holds up OK.

I don't know why the tie rod ends are designed like that.

The BMW suspension does seem designed more for the track but as long as you don't hit anything I think it'll be alright. If you do hit something it will probably look like the car in Grant's "Doh!" thread.

The car is very sweet to drive and very tossable. Easy to steer with the throttle. I want one.
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 05:26PM
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The car is very sweet to drive and very tossable. Easy to steer with the throttle. I want one.

Turns out that I know of someone that actually lives in your same area, same street even, that could definitely build you one. smiling smiley
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 06:07PM
I think the tie rods are designed like that so they will fail before anything else does. That either means that the tie rods were way overbuilt, or your control arms are made of cheese. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 06:13PM
Hintz never hits anything, so there's no need to worry bout that...
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 06:57PM
The tie rods are that way to clear the wheel and knuckle when turned. Silly but necessary.
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 08, 2011 07:21PM
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The tie rods are that way to clear the wheel and knuckle when turned. Silly but necessary.

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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 02:30AM
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[mumble mode on] fawkin Krautski injur-nears grrrr gr [/mumble mode off]

This is what I was saying when we were replacing the clutch.
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 08:11AM
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[mumble mode on] fawkin Krautski injur-nears grrrr gr [/mumble mode off]

This is what I was saying when we were replacing the clutch.
What makes the BMW clutch swap such a pain?
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 12:03PM
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[mumble mode on] fawkin Krautski injur-nears grrrr gr [/mumble mode off]

This is what I was saying when we were replacing the clutch.
What makes the BMW clutch swap such a pain?

BMW engineering??



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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 02:40PM
They use nuts and bolts on some pretty silly places on the bellhousing, and it won't come past the firewall without turning the trans exactly right. The starter has a dowel pin in the trans bell that is always stuck, and the starter is way up under the intake. Then the dual mass flywheel takes a special long tork plus socket.......
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 04:47PM
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They use nuts and bolts on some pretty silly places on the bellhousing, and it won't come past the firewall without turning the trans exactly right. The starter has a dowel pin in the trans bell that is always stuck, and the starter is way up under the intake. Then the dual mass flywheel takes a special long tork plus socket.......

Sounds like you've done this before...
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Re: Another RWD car joins the fray
June 09, 2011 04:47PM
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[mumble mode on] fawkin Krautski injur-nears grrrr gr [/mumble mode off]

This is what I was saying when we were replacing the clutch.
What makes the BMW clutch swap such a pain?

BMW engineering??

Exactly.
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