Who can build me a rally car?

In the Seattle area these people can build you a rally car:

Dave Clark (likely built more then the rest combined)
Pete Vanbogart (Cascade Motorsports)
Derik Nelson
Doug Chase
Robert Golbrech

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In the Seattle area these people can build you a rally car:

Dave Clark (likely built more then the rest combined)
Pete Vanbogart (Cascade Motorsports)
Derik Nelson
Doug Chase
Robert Golbrech

Ya there is no lack of very good car builders I don't like building them
I love making parts for them. My plate is full for a good 6 weeks,
And I want to work on my focus.

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Doh! I was thinking fox mustang guy. No shit if you are that friggen close, what is taking so long? Rent a car hauler for a day and move some cars.

I still think the running, caged idea was a good one tho, That's 70% of a rallycar project right there.

Well he doesn't need to rent a truck and hauler cause he can barrow a nice diesel van and dolly from me.
Same as William did years ago.
Problem is the ferry charges about one million dollars for a van, dolly and car.

And he needs sumpin that runs so he can avoid the million dollar ferry charges and has NO storage.

That island is small, and is really a resort island so the square footage is at a premium---the space a car takes up could be rented to yuppies from Seattle for a thousand bucks a week...

I really don't know hows he's thinking he can do a project of any sort on the island, even if the major build is done elsewhere there's constant revisions, improvements, fixin and fiddlin to do and that means a space to work---along with REPAIRS. Oi.

hey john, i actually have some space to work on the car with. possibly even a garage in the near future. i just dont really have a place to store a shell rite now.

william, i may just use the van and dolly so i can get it out of there for you

I'd double for the Honda crew on a good platform to build from. What is your budget?

Here's a "basic" build price. I'm probably missing some stuff, so people can add to the list. Sure you can get more/less on each but it's a rough estimate:

$2500-$3500 cage
$700 x 2 for seats (I think OMP is the cheapest at $700 a piece with head wings)
$400 for harnesses
$100 for extinguishers/triangles/first-aid kit
$300-$600 for underbody protection
$260 for a Peltor
$70 for a brake line limiter
$100 for misc fuel/brake lines
$100 for braided stainless lines
$400 for brake pads
$30 hood pins
$30 map light
$400 4x Hella lights.

So you're at ~$6000-$7000 in BASIC parts that you can add to any car. Pretty much all that cost could be covered with some extra labor for install. You'll still need to add a suspension to the mix, but you can look at spending anywhere from $1500 to $15,000+ for that.

But back to my original question... what's your budget? You want a $70k R2 or do you want a $10k beater? As much as the media seems to say, there aren't $500 rally cars. Take any $3000 donor car and attach the basic list above and say a modest $2500 for a suspension and you're already at a $13k car. Shells for just about any car can be found for $1500 or less, just add motor trans. You're blessed with less rust than someone like me in the Midwest, so you can get even cleaner donors for cheap.

To mirror Sean's Merk build for $20k... adding another $7k to a Civic build from above can get you quite a bit as well. ~200hp at the wheels, 2400-2500lbs, close ratio gearset, Honda reliability (i.e. change the oil and that's it). Honda parts are ALL OVER the place. Proper close ratio kits are $750 (no need for final drive in some cases). Final drives are $550. Diff is anywhere from used OEM/Quaife (DO NOT BUY OBX) up to OS GIKEN $$$tuff.

I was thinking of building a beater Civic with the 127hp 1.6 SOHC motor as a rental car, but there isn't much of a market for rentals... yet.



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i bought a "used" rally car, but the savings are seriously astounding. I bought the weaver, formally herados, formally who the hell knows, rx7 for 5000. Turn key basically ready to go. Plus many of the things you would need to buy otherwise, are then transferable from this car if i one day ball the heck out of it. But all the little "bits" that make the car better are usually all figured out for you and presented a such a low cost since they just come with the car. Hell i would be curious to know just how much it costs for HDPE to cover the car properly...

only things i did do was clean it out and reorganize the med kit, spill kit, etc into new bags and different attachement methods. Its very pleasing to also just be able to fire it up and drive. It keep you motivated.

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i bought a "used" rally car, but the savings are seriously astounding. I bought the weaver, formally herados, formally who the hell knows, rx7 for 5000. Turn key basically ready to go. Plus many of the things you would need to buy otherwise, are then transferable from this car if i one day ball the heck out of it. But all the little "bits" that make the car better are usually all figured out for you and presented a such a low cost since they just come with the car. Hell i would be curious to know just how much it costs for HDPE to cover the car properly...

only things i did do was clean it out and reorganize the med kit, spill kit, etc into new bags and different attachement methods. Its very pleasing to also just be able to fire it up and drive. It keep you motivated.

you got a good car. however for every good one there are 3 or 4 headcases out there.

caveat emptor and all that.

(thanks mister brady!)

When I bought my $2900 GTI, I think I was up to $8000 when I updated it to my liking

Engine tune up
New calipers/rotors/lines
New underbody protection
Cage updates
Pair of Sparco PRO ADV seats + new harnesses
Intercom
First aid
Spill kit
Roof scoop.

There are a good amount of rally cars for sale in the NW currently, would save you a bunch of money over building one.

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There are a good amount of rally cars for sale in the NW currently, would save you a bunch of money over building one.

yeah i think im starting to realize that is going to be the best route for me. i think id have a much easier time saving up 8 grand for a used rally car than slowly spending 9,10, 11, or 12 grand to make my own. next time ill build my own. but honestly, where do you find ads or any sort of notification that a rally car is for sale in the northwest? only place i have found so far is specialstage.

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There are a good amount of rally cars for sale in the NW currently, would save you a bunch of money over building one.

yeah i think im starting to realize that is going to be the best route for me. i think id have a much easier time saving up 8 grand for a used rally car than slowly spending 9,10, 11, or 12 grand to make my own. next time ill build my own. but honestly, where do you find ads or any sort of notification that a rally car is for sale in the northwest? only place i have found so far is specialstage.

Maytbe you should slowly realize that ultimately you will have to work on cars, unless you are very wealthy.

And maybe you should quickly realize that some peoples figures are for the LATEST and "trick-est " looking seats, and ($700 ea vs $200 for a pair second hand).

Further, maybe it should be instantly obvious that the decision one way or another should not be made on the basis of a few highly THEORETICAL words of total strangers on a forum.

And that sooner rather than later you need to (gasp! say it hain't so!) drive over and talk face to face with some locals, preferably some locals with some amount of experience observing the whole process of lots of people entering the sport, their "arc' or trajectory thru the time they were active, what kept them IN the sport, till why and when they eventually dropped out.

Then think what you want to do.

The "buy a (potentially--maybe probably used, near stock, hatchet job thing needing complete do-over in all critical areas) car, it's quicker" is all about instant gratification, not about building a solid foundation to have a sustained period of learning and growth.


You gotta think about what you want to do. (And what resources you have to accomplish, whatever it is)

How old you say you were?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Further, ask and think hard:
Can whatever the fuck junk somebody is selling EVER be able to do this:
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THIS is the essence of the yee-haw thing that is best at keeping people in the rally relationship for long enough to eventually build a decent car with power and good drive train AND accumulate the DRIVING SKILLS that you---and everybody else---weren't born with --none of us were.

But can the turd little whatever somebody is pushing you towards ever be capable of just what that Volvo is doing?

Because you CAN progressively build a Volvo or Xratty to have the performance you see there, and you can do it a lot easier than in some flimsy shitbox fwd car...

Again---note-I have ONLY rallied FWD, but a GOOD light strong fwd car.
Nothing wrong with fwd, but it will never do THAT above.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.



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My car is still available!!!!!! She's still as she was run in Targa NF
Tons of spare bits and an available trailer.

Call if interested.
905-650-5889

Here's a likely victim, the good sort w round headlights:
http://eugene.craigslist.org/search/cto?query=Volvo+242&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk=

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Jul 18 - 1977 Volvo 242 - $600 (Eugene) pic

Date: 2011-07-18, 9:07PM PDT
Reply to: sale-8kzs4-2501536142@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
1977 Volvo 242 4 cylinder automatic
The Good
new tires, new starter, new alternator, new fuel pump, new brakes, new struts, Pioneer CD player.
The Bad
has transmission fluid leak-needs automatic transmission serviced 100.00, drivers side window doesn't roll all the way up, windshield cracked, odometer and speedometer broken.
This is a super fun, cute, classic car. We have put tons of work into it and would never let it go if we were not moving out of state at the end of the month.


* Location: Eugene
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

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There's a Borg warner T5 is a Camaro in Lynwood GM section as of 3 hours ago---55 bucks.


And you could pick up this one for me in Eugene:
$100
TRANSMISSION FOR SALE! IF INTERESTED CALL OR TEXT 541-539-0501

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

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How old you say you were?

Old enough to rally! And vote! And... oh wait that's at 21.

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john vanlandingham
How old you say you were?

Old enough to rally! And vote! And... oh wait that's at 21.

well? didya call 'em?
Come on mang its RED and has round headlights!!

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.