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John.
Quit wasting space.
Peter Olenick, a professional skier sponsored by Monster bought an Open class Subaru. He did a bypass to run the car in Open Light at Rally Colorado. It now is pretty much just being used to tear around the mountains as he hasn't come back. Point being, he's an action sports star and wasn't allowed to start in Open class. He also had no previous driving experience. It was also much higher spec than a PGT Legacy Turbo that has maybe 180 hp at the crank.

kenny bartram started in a beetle...



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John.
Quit wasting space.
Peter Olenick, a professional skier sponsored by Monster bought an Open class Subaru. He did a bypass to run the car in Open Light at Rally Colorado. It now is pretty much just being used to tear around the mountains as he hasn't come back. Point being, he's an action sports star and wasn't allowed to start in Open class. He also had no previous driving experience. It was also much higher spec than a PGT Legacy Turbo that has maybe 180 hp at the crank.

Who's wasting space?
Logic has not worked with their stupid rule. It is demonstrably absurd that a guy can build a very high spec n.a. motor in Gp2 or Open Light, and presumably be invincible AND never run over anybody, but a stock turbo motor in a Gp5 car or old Le-gassy is an instant death machine.


The only reasonable response to absurdity is parody, thus any parody is helpful.

The waste is the thousands numerous people have to essentially throw away to comply with a rule that RA has routinely ignored themselves.

Those were all cool piccies.

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they were cool pictures...

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Who's wasting space?
Logic has not worked with their stupid rule. It is demonstrably absurd that a guy can build a very high spec n.a. motor in Gp2 or Open Light, and presumably be invincible AND never run over anybody, but a stock turbo motor in a Gp5 car or old Le-gassy is an instant death machine.

The only reasonable response to absurdity is parody, thus any parody is helpful.

The waste is the thousands numerous people have to essentially throw away to comply with a rule that RA has routinely ignored themselves.

Who are these people that are throwing away thousands? From my perspective people work around the rule.
People that build very high spec G2 or Open Light cars don't actually rally. Notice many of them? Crane, Hendo, etc.? They don't exist.
And haven't they already shown some common sense when it comes to letting people start their rally career in a Group 5 car? Doesn't Sean kinda prove that they are not unreasonable about it?

Oh and Greg. Yeah, you could build a bypass. But you have to bypass exhaust, intake, oil, and coolant. With a gutted turbo you don't bypass anything it just is a piece of eye candy under the hood to throw people off. I've seen friends do both.

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oh and Greg. Yeah, you could build a bypass. But you have to bypass exhaust, intake, oil, and coolant. With a gutted turbo you don't bypass anything it just is a piece of eye candy under the hood to throw people off. I've seen friends do both.

ah, forgot about all the other stuff. that is much easier indeed.

Yeah, but Everyone also knows that while Peter is a talented skier, he is also a talented drunk and lacks the drive to excell that the other top skiers have. Dont get me wrong, the Olenicks are fun to party and ski with but Peter isn't exactly a role model who displays drive, discipline or even dedication to a sport.

Poor example of a pro athlete.

Back on topic. The cheapest thing you could do is write an email. Might not have to change anything. You never know till you ask!

Don't know him at all. I was spectating that year and just dropped by Salta a few times when they were working on the car. I bet I'm a more talented drunk though. I don't really lack drive though, I lack focus. I have an Impreza that is a few hours away from being ready for a cage, I just built a double barrel smoker, I have a cool Merkur and an even cooler 16V Volvo head and some new cool AP calipers for it, I have a rusted out Toyota Starlet and am about to pick up a Volvo 242. I was seriously considering buying season tickets to the Avalanche and we're in the middle of planning a trip to Baldface over New Years. Less actively looking for a second house/condo to buy or rent in the mountains for the ski season. Oh, I'm also rebuilding the deck and building a sauna on it and prepping to plant a 625 square foot garden. We've got a party in two weeks that has about 40 confirmed guests coming and Mitch and wife and baby are moving in with us while their floors get redone starting this weekend which is okay since we'll be up in Wyoming playing on the lake with my fam. Did I mention I still work full time and have been working on finishing my thesis.

Back to topic. Regardless, Peter's an extreme athlete with a rally car that wasn't given free reign in regards to the rules.

What about removing the wastegate actuator and replacing with a solid rod that holds the WG open all the time. Open wastegate = no boost. Safety wire it in place and that should pass tech and be easy to do/undo if needed.

Great deal on the car BTW - I was crew chief on an ex-Subaru Canada 92' Legacy SS in the late 90's and it's still a favorite of mine. IIRC - stock ECU cuts fuel at 14psi so the MBC only works so much. I set it up so the ECU only ever saw 14 psi, but the engine got up to 17 psi. Evened it up pretty nice against the new at the time WRX's Subaru Canada replaced it with...

Rabin

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... stock ECU cuts fuel at 14psi so the MBC only works so much. I set it up so the ECU only ever saw 14 psi, but the engine got up to 17 psi. Evened it up pretty nice against the new at the time WRX's Subaru Canada replaced it with...

Rabin

Another interesting tidbit.

The OEM ECU will open the Cold Air Idle valve if/when it sees 17 PSI, and dumps all your boost into into the air filter!

Congrats on the great buy. There are too few Leggies on entry lists these days. With your turbo and co-driver experience it seems we are in the same boat.

See I am one of those people sitting on the fence wondering why it might be necessary for me to spend thousands building an NA motor so that I can be compliant when a near stock redblock would be a great motor for the car, hundreds not thousands of dollars, easily detuned and retuned, and could possibly get me on stage much sooner.

Seems silly because I sure as hell am not running with the 70-80 ponies of fury that are in the car and I am not one to build things half assed. So ass i see it if I don't get an exemption I may just show them how silly this rule is a show up with 50-70 more than what my dangerous turbo motor would have.

Silly. What happened with Sean happens. It had nothing to do with the snail under the hood and everything to do with the nut behind the wheel. Sean assumes that responsibility as a competitor, not because he received an exemption.

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Don't know him at all. I was spectating that year and just dropped by Salta a few times when they were working on the car. I bet I'm a more talented drunk though. I don't really lack drive though, I lack focus. I have an Impreza that is a few hours away from being ready for a cage, I just built a double barrel smoker, I have a cool Merkur and an even cooler 16V Volvo head and some new cool AP calipers for it, I have a rusted out Toyota Starlet and am about to pick up a Volvo 242. I was seriously considering buying season tickets to the Avalanche and we're in the middle of planning a trip to Baldface over New Years. Less actively looking for a second house/condo to buy or rent in the mountains for the ski season. Oh, I'm also rebuilding the deck and building a sauna on it and prepping to plant a 625 square foot garden. We've got a party in two weeks that has about 40 confirmed guests coming and Mitch and wife and baby are moving in with us while their floors get redone starting this weekend which is okay since we'll be up in Wyoming playing on the lake with my fam. Did I mention I still work full time and have been working on finishing my thesis.

Back to topic. Regardless, Peter's an extreme athlete with a rally car that wasn't given free reign in regards to the rules.

That is a plate full (Fair warning: if you are gonna start a garden of any size, you may have to give up the day job do to time constraints), I think I've spent as many weekends/days out of town as I have in town. Sorry if my comment earlier seemed a bit biting, I've never really cared to much for peter. Heard rumors he's clean and sober now, if so good for him.

2005 I spent 2 weekends in Denver between start of May and end of September. At least two weekends per month were in rally cars too so that was a good year.
Garden is in a fallow year right now. Covered with hay and mostly weed control. It's 125 X 5 and the 125 is bordered by an empty lot that provides lots of weeds. Looks like someone bought it though so hopefully something will be built on it next year and we can get started. May even offer it up to some local chefs to plant whatever they want on it and just give us some free meals occasionally.

Yup. I would have crashed a 36hp beetle eventually, probably just as spectacularly, if not more so. You have to push a bit at some point in your rally career, I just unfortunately had a run in with a solid immovable object instead of a fixable roll... Oh well.

Matt call the guys at RA and ask to run the stock turbo legacy. I appealed to them and they are letting me run my 240hp/tq 3.3L legacy in open. A stock 2.2t makes the same power as a new NA 2.5L. I only had autocross and one hill climb to show for my open class waiver.

Me and the guys at legacycentral can get you the parts to get back to stock for CHEAP or free.

Or if you still plan to plop a 2.5 in there we can chat and help get that wiring figured out. It's not fun but it's possible. This 3.3 into the legacy was my first ever engine swap and it seems to run well and finish rallies so far

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Brap Brap.

Ya Chris was very fast in his 3.3!

didn't realize he was racing with an exception wavier to the open rule. I was running my 14th rally, (1st in Open Light) after doing 13 in a production FWD.

I slid off the road, Chris was fine. there was also a new open lite driver who rolled his car. (i think J.price is fairly new)

I sorta get their rule, and i don't. Is their rule for the laywers , insurance company. i could see insurance guys reducing their rates slightly that only experienced drivers are allowed in the fastest 3 classes . (open, super production, G5)