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Dazed_Driver
Will, that's assuming he wants RWD, and that he wants essentially a short run RWD conversion.

As for a Fiesta being a fad car, perhaps in the states, but not everywhere else... The Fiesta has been a rally car for a long time. If anything, it may start catching on soon.

A 1985 car is 26 years old. In 5-6 that would be 31.5 years. They're not a lot of 1979 and prior cars in junkyards anymore... at least ones worth picking from.

I'd be less worried about finding parts for a newer car, than a car that is eligible for collector's plates.
(then again, at the rate I'm going, my car will have collector's plates! lol)

huh what I didn't just say rwd till latter. still the fiestas that are rocking over sea are far higher
speck than 90 percent of the field hear. I'm saying the fiesta is lame for the price and still lame for
cheap we don't have a 1.6 class so why start at a disadvantage.

I said front wheel drive not rear there are trans options and diffs I would take a done right focus front
wheel before the new car due to age and the joke of suspension on the fiesta and there are good
brake kits out there and they already have 11 inch front rotors. not to mention its a 103 inch wheel base
which would be nice on out fast roads.

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As for a Fiesta being a fad car, perhaps in the states, but not everywhere else... The Fiesta has been a rally car for a long time. If anything, it may start catching on soon.

Will you shut up?
gawddam you talk endless shit.

Empty empty statements.
Fawk.

NOBODY has seriously bothered with any previous Fiestas.
The were either massive piles of shit and/ or Ford did not bother to homologate any parts to make them worthwhile cars. No demand means no parts.
1 car or 2 cars in a whole country does not mean ....blah blah.

Only big incentives have drawn a tiny contingent of very rich people who are weather enough, and have enough leisure time to do the Rally Academy thing.

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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how much of an asshat you are.

why don't you go back to hawking shit and trying to turn this site into a giant ad for yourself?

The current Mazda contingency combined with the better financing options make it more attractive and I'm sure you could figure out a way to make the Ford stuff work. It's not like the engine bay will be any smaller in one or the other.

Used Fiesta R2 parts will eventually be out there. Though if they end up like some of the previous Ford Rally parts they won't depreciate much. According to the interview with Chris about GB, M-Sport has built something like 400 of the cars. A 909 rear suspension setup (beam, arms, bearing carrier, no brakes/shocks) for the Sierra Cosworth run about 4-5k. The front uprights are about $1500 a piece usually.

It is an attractive plan in my opinion. You can have a nice fairly low cost/maintenance daily driver that you can convert into a rally car in five years. I'm more in the mindset of a cheap and reliable daily driver but I really hate car payments and full coverage insurance. But I recognize that I am not typical in that regard.

Personally, I think the major plus to the Fiesta is the fact that if you buy the Msport parts, you are getting properly developed rally parts from a company that can do it.

Is it worth the cost to me, not at this point in my life. If I had the money would I drive an R2? Yes, long before I spent money on a 4wd thing.

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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how much of an asshat you are.

why don't you go back to hawking shit and trying to turn this site into a giant ad for yourself?

Oh I'm an asshat because I will express dismay and disgust at you just flat making up shit, mere bits of imagination that you write as if you actually have knowledge of anything beyond your little world...


As for your stupid second part, hey Timmy, nobody buys that bullshit any more except whiner-do-nothings..

Don't you need to run along and figure out if you need either a carbon fiber hood scoop, or if you can manage with and aluminum one. It was only 5 years ago when that burning issue was keeping you awake, why not go figure it out instead of just blabbering whatever random speck of thought bubbles up?

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NoCoast
Used Fiesta R2 parts will eventually be out there. Though if they end up like some of the previous Ford Rally parts they won't depreciate much. According to the interview with Chris about GB, M-Sport has built something like 400 of the cars. A 909 rear suspension setup (beam, arms, bearing carrier, no brakes/shocks) for the Sierra Cosworth run about 4-5k. The front uprights are about $1500 a piece usually.

That is a concern. MSport will only be making parts until the "next generation" comes out.

Any idea how long Ford expects to keep this chassis?

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john vanlandingham
NOBODY has seriously bothered with any previous Fiestas.
The were either massive piles of shit and/ or Ford did not bother to homologate any parts to make them worthwhile cars. No demand means no parts.
1 car or 2 cars in a whole country does not mean ....blah blah.

I'd like to introduce you to the M-Sport MK5 Fiesta:

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/motorsport/the-rally-cars/other/gpn-fiesta-st

Spec sheet/costs here:
http://www.fiestasporttrophy.com/index.php/component/remository/func-startdown/24

I see lots of words that look that look like Homologated in there...

The whole kit was £11,650, which is $18,710.
That's a whole £8945GBP ($13,643) less than an R2 kit.

Doesn't have a fancy sequential dogbox (just H pattern) due to GpN rules. Suspension is probably a bit less based off R2 Reiger price.

P.S.

Digging around... you CAN put a Fiesta motor into a Mazda2.

The current Fiesta has a Sigma family of motor. The current Fiesta motor is called the Duratec Ti-VCT motor in the family. But the real gem was in the MK4 Fiesta, which had a Zetec-SE motor.

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The engine first appeared in the Mk4 Ford Fiesta and the virtually identical Mazda 121 in 1.25L (1242cc) capacity, with 1.4 L (1388cc), 1.6 L (1596cc) and 1.7 L (1679cc) derivatives coming later.

So with that... there was an engine block from that family, in a Mazda. The Duratec Ti-VCT engine was derived from the Zetec-SE block.

Now to see if the 1.6L EcoBoost motor is from the same block... But by that time the Mazdaspeed2 will be out and that motor can just go in.

At some point automotive evolution will take care of the old Volvos and Golfs. Go find a decent Rx3 candidate or Fire Arrow. The further east you go the less old cars you find. Metal worms and the high price of scrap will eventually take their toll.

I doubt the Fiesta/M2 will be a flash in the pan. 10 or 12 years from now they could well be the next hot item for street mods. Todays cars are making more power stock than any of the small built hot rods did 20 years ago and with 200k miles of reliability or more. We can't move forward well if we never look past the rear view mirror....a glance is fine, but beyond that we need eyes on the horizon.

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john vanlandingham
NOBODY has seriously bothered with any previous Fiestas.
The were either massive piles of shit and/ or Ford did not bother to homologate any parts to make them worthwhile cars. No demand means no parts.
1 car or 2 cars in a whole country does not mean ....blah blah.

I'd like to introduce you to the M-Sport MK5 Fiesta:

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/motorsport/the-rally-cars/other/gpn-fiesta-st

Spec sheet/costs here:
http://www.fiestasporttrophy.com/index.php/component/remository/func-startdown/24

I see lots of words that look that look like Homologated in there...

The whole kit was £11,650, which is $18,710.
That's a whole £8945GBP ($13,643) less than an R2 kit.

Doesn't have a fancy sequential dogbox (just H pattern) due to GpN rules. Suspension is probably a bit less based off R2 Reiger price.

and that appears to only be the current cars.... as I said, a long time.

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P.S.

Digging around... you CAN put a Fiesta motor into a Mazda2.

The current Fiesta has a Sigma family of motor. The current Fiesta motor is called the Duratec Ti-VCT motor in the family. But the real gem was in the MK4 Fiesta, which had a Zetec-SE motor.

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The engine first appeared in the Mk4 Ford Fiesta and the virtually identical Mazda 121 in 1.25L (1242cc) capacity, with 1.4 L (1388cc), 1.6 L (1596cc) and 1.7 L (1679cc) derivatives coming later.

So with that... there was an engine block from that family, in a Mazda. The Duratec Ti-VCT engine was derived from the Zetec-SE block.

Now to see if the 1.6L EcoBoost motor is from the same block... But by that time the Mazdaspeed2 will be out and that motor can just go in.

ztec and duratec are nothing alike at all.
use a focus 2008 2.0 they are 160 hp as is and they are the same block as the 1.6
you can go up to a 2.3 and use the steel crank from the speeds and cx7. The 2.0
duratec is so cheap its unreal!!! the last one i got was 30,000 miles and its was
$250.

the st kit is lame!!! the only sweet spot is the rockin gear kit and trans parts,
and there price is going rate for any front wheel trans.
Brake Bias Valve – X System (VO) £176.05
Braided Brake Lines Kit £409.85
Competition Brake Pads Set
(Gravel / Tarmac)
£133.09
hahaha really? $800 for pads lines and valve!

its cool its done and you put it together I'm not saying its bad stuff just
thats a shit load of money!!!!! you can get a focus do the front wheel
gear kit in a mtx75 and diff and work the suspension and put on some
real brakes you would be in to it 15,000 with car and have all the
same parts almost 200 hp and then some?



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use a focus 2008 2.0 they are 160 hp as is and they are the same block as the 1.6
you can go up to a 2.3 and use the steel crank from the speeds and cx7. The 2.0
duratec is so cheap its unreal!!! the last one i got was 30,000 miles and its was
$250.

only the newer DI ones have 160, right? though everything else was in the 140's.

got a chance to look at one of the early SpecB. Mazda2 cars and they do seem pretty flimsy though. guys were talking about rear wheel bearing failures and other suspension issues. Seems like it would take an awful lot to toughen it up to rally spec. other than that go for it.

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BillyElliot
P.S.

Digging around... you CAN put a Fiesta motor into a Mazda2.

The current Fiesta has a Sigma family of motor. The current Fiesta motor is called the Duratec Ti-VCT motor in the family. But the real gem was in the MK4 Fiesta, which had a Zetec-SE motor.

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The engine first appeared in the Mk4 Ford Fiesta and the virtually identical Mazda 121 in 1.25L (1242cc) capacity, with 1.4 L (1388cc), 1.6 L (1596cc) and 1.7 L (1679cc) derivatives coming later.

So with that... there was an engine block from that family, in a Mazda. The Duratec Ti-VCT engine was derived from the Zetec-SE block.

Now to see if the 1.6L EcoBoost motor is from the same block... But by that time the Mazdaspeed2 will be out and that motor can just go in.

Billy be careful here. Since ford used the Zetec and Duratec names seemingly at random for marketing purposes in different parts of the world. If the block is similar to what MZR/Duratec block then you should be good but if it is not then you could have issues with the swap.

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P.S.

Digging around... you CAN put a Fiesta motor into a Mazda2.

The current Fiesta has a Sigma family of motor. The current Fiesta motor is called the Duratec Ti-VCT motor in the family. But the real gem was in the MK4 Fiesta, which had a Zetec-SE motor.

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The engine first appeared in the Mk4 Ford Fiesta and the virtually identical Mazda 121 in 1.25L (1242cc) capacity, with 1.4 L (1388cc), 1.6 L (1596cc) and 1.7 L (1679cc) derivatives coming later.

So with that... there was an engine block from that family, in a Mazda. The Duratec Ti-VCT engine was derived from the Zetec-SE block.

Now to see if the 1.6L EcoBoost motor is from the same block... But by that time the Mazdaspeed2 will be out and that motor can just go in.

Billy be careful here. Since ford used the Zetec and Duratec names seemingly at random for marketing purposes in different parts of the world. If the block is similar to what MZR/Duratec block then you should be good but if it is not then you could have issues with the swap.

Yeah, there are two families. Basically the one in your focus is the one with the exhaust ports in the front. Fiesta/Mazda121 motors were the ones with the exhaust in the rear.