Dazed_Driver Banned Elite Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
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Do It Sidewayz Chris Martin Infallible Moderator Location: Toronto, Ontario Join Date: 01/15/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 567 Rally Car: E-85 powered Impreza |
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phlat65 Sean Medcroft Godlike Moderator Location: Edmonds, Washington Join Date: 02/12/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,802 Rally Car: Building a Merkur |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Why take chances with Civilisation As We Know It? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Doivi Clarkinen Banned Elite Moderator Location: the end of the universe Join Date: 02/12/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,432 Rally Car: 1980 Opel Ascona B |
And yet you're not allowed to have windshield washer fluid in the cabin... |
Greasecar Justin Carven Godlike Moderator Location: Portland OR Join Date: 01/21/2009 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 86 Rally Car: '79 VW Rabbit TDI, '02 VW Golf |
Chris- When you say "homemade tanks" you are not taking into account that my company has manufactured thousands of fuel tanks over the last 12 years to DOT specifications for class 3 fuel storage, this was demonstrated for RA approval. In regard to all the other fuel related items (including a windshield washer fluid tank), they are in a "Fireproof and liquid-proof case" as specified in 5.7 A of the RA rulebook. "Fuel pumps and filters shall also be isolated from the driver/co-driver by a metal bulkhead or the fuel cell case.": RA 5.7B If you guys look up the MDS sheets for diesel, vegetable oil, gasoline and E85 I think you'll see that the flashpoints and other vapor/combustion considerations are quite different which offers good explanation as to why storage requirements would also be different. www.DMackTyresUSA.com |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
The point we're making is no doubting the tanks and the process but the truley bizarre and capricious way in which rules are shoved down everybody's throats and we're told must have FT3 and FIA certification and bildge about "SAFETY!!!!!!!" and how somebody was DQed for washer fluid or some nonsense, and then we see evident Pfffft wave of the hand , "no problem" for something which seems perfectly nice, and well thought out and wonderfully executed---but without the all-protecting stickers.. Sorta like Jazz or RCI get passed by--because of no sticker--and guys spend 5-7 times more for a DFuel safe or ATL. The ire and irony is not directed toward you, but at a flawed process. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Do It Sidewayz Chris Martin Infallible Moderator Location: Toronto, Ontario Join Date: 01/15/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 567 Rally Car: E-85 powered Impreza |
Definately not against you. My meaning of "homemade tanks" means that it's not coming out of ATL or Firesafe and carrying the FIA stickers, that any fuel cell we used for gasoline would need. Your set-up is certainly well executed and built. I asked about installing a small surge tank (maybe 1-2L) made from Stainless steel, in the trunk of a sedan, with the trunk sealed off from the passanger compartment with a metal bulkhead. I was told not possible because #1 "it's an auxilary fuel tank", and #2 "it's not approved" oh and #3, "if you have a problem get a fuel cell". This was CARS, but i've read many times surge tanks are not allowed by RA. All i wanted to do was use the OEM fuel tank, untouched, and be able to use all the fuel i put in it, in an effort to not wreck my motor when we starv for fuel. Instead we are forced to hit the stages with the fuel tank practically bursting at the seams it's so full, rather than leaving with maybe half a tank. As john said, just commenting on the fact that you can get away with it (and good for you!), with a "phfft...no problem that looks great". While the other 99.8% of the rally population needs 14 stickers, 4 tags, and 17 receipts saying everything is correct. Your build looks great! and i can't wait to see it out there making nice black smoke! Chris |
heymagic Banned Junior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Rather than thinking rules are being shoved down anyones throats (nobody is required to rally...) or someone is getting away with something, consider that allowances are being made for an alternative fuel vehicle. This is built by a professional to a very high standard. Seems like everyone would have more to bitch about if concessions were never made.
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phlat65 Sean Medcroft Godlike Moderator Location: Edmonds, Washington Join Date: 02/12/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,802 Rally Car: Building a Merkur |
My original question was not about the fuel, or tanks, but the hot coolant running to the tank to heat the vegetable oil. Is there any problem with that? are the lines in the cabin? I understand the concessions for the fuel type, but heating it with coolant, if the lines run inside the cabin, that is what I was asking about.
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heymagic Banned Junior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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Ascona73 Bob Legere Mega Moderator Location: Spofford, NH Join Date: 03/07/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 310 Rally Car: 1971 Opel Ascona |
As long as they are metal-braided or inside metal tubing they should be legal inside the cabin. But running rubber heater hoses inside the cabin is not allowed (no rubber lines for fuel or oil either). Opel is a 4-letter word... http://www.flickr.com/photos/10498579@N07/sets/ |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
gENE, BEFORE YOU CAME BACK THERE WAS HEATED DISCUSSION (ooops Natasha has been typing with caps Lock) about the explosive nature of coolant and washer fluid....hence all the photos I found on the Intra-webs of exploding rally cars... Waher fluid and antifreeze is a huge risk for fire and flying chunks of iron and sheetmetal (according to the wisdom of others) I'm surprised you haven't been blown to bits repeatedly working on cars like you do. I know I have been killt by anti-freeze fireballs several time. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Ascona73 Bob Legere Mega Moderator Location: Spofford, NH Join Date: 03/07/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 310 Rally Car: 1971 Opel Ascona |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
EXACTLY!!! Only glycol or washer fluid is even more dangerous---according to ex-spurts on the web. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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