Question about springs

So at olympus I was running a 10" 375 lbs/inch spring and the rear seemed to slide around really easy compared to when i was running stock springs the year before and I couldnt turn at all. So I am thinking that I will get a less stiff spring. So not knowing the old spring rate its hard to pick something that may be in between. So hopefully someone here may be able to give me a good guess at a recomeded spring rate. Also, and this may be a stupid question would I need to get a slightly longer spring if I get a lower spring rate? This would be to compensate for saging? I dunno so I ask.
Any input would be great! Thanks!

Chris

Hi Chris!
I ran a 10" 275lbs spring for Olympus and they did great!

You shouldn't have to get a longer spring because sagging would only happen if you had a giant lead weight in the trunk.

The lesser the tension the more sway and less slide. But!! We like more slide and more slide means more gas!!

I would try to drop the rate down. Maybe split the difference from what u have now compared to your stock setup. JVAB might know

Chris are you saying you haven't yet put the little ( bump in the inner fender so you're not using the springs supplied--and using some insane, rediculous springs insted?

Now we know why rthe car was skatey and out of control...

2 sharpie lones, sawz-all and a little welding...
Probably a fraction of the cost of rolling.

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait. I can't remember. Did you get the rear shocks from me? It's been more than 2 years so i can remember if you just got fronts or struts AND shocks.

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait. I can't remember. Did you get the rear shocks from me? It's been more than 2 years so i can remember if you just got fronts or struts AND shocks.

Yes I got the struts and rear shocks. No springs for rears.

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait. I can't remember. Did you get the rear shocks from me? It's been more than 2 years so i can remember if you just got fronts or struts AND shocks.

Yes I got the struts and rear shocks. No springs for rears.

Don't lift mid turn unless you want a big slide!!!

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait...Chris ..are you still running the rear springs in the stock location?

I thought you bought rear "proper" coilovers from John and grafted in the Truck exhaust tube for clearance.....no?

Just running non coilover rear Jvab "shocks"?

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait...Chris ..are you still running the rear springs in the stock location?

I thought you bought rear "proper" coilovers from John and grafted in the Truck exhaust tube for clearance.....no?

Just running non coilover rear Jvab "shocks"?

Mike,
Yes the rears are in the stock location. Wanted to do the Truck exhaust tube but it wouldnt work considering where the upper control arm is. It is right next to the shock and about level with the top of the threads on the shock. Spring and the adjuster nuts wouldnt fit. Not sure what the adjusters for the coil overs are called. Is your Focus set up that way and if so how did you get around the upper control arm? Also Im limmited on skillset for doing a bunch of cutting and welding. I could probably cut the area out for the truck exhaust but after that Id be screwed as I dont have a welder and I wouldnt trust my welding skills for something that would be under a lot of stress.

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Thanks Clayton and John!
John kinda sorta, I put in a plate with a 2.25 inch tube welded to it to hold the spring in place. Since the stock springs are impossible to find in that diameter I used a 2.5 inch spring that just sits over the tube. Seems to work. Buttes the new spring is very stiff. The car seemed to be fine going straight didn't seem to skate side to side anymore than before. The turning though it just seemed to loose any grip a bit too easily. Some of that I would blame on myself for lifting mid turn.
I think a bit less slippy might be good. It's a good experience though. Starting to get the feel of how the car is reacting to brakes and gas.

Wait...Chris ..are you still running the rear springs in the stock location?

I thought you bought rear "proper" coilovers from John and grafted in the Truck exhaust tube for clearance.....no?

Just running non coilover rear Jvab "shocks"?

Mike,
Yes the rears are in the stock location. Wanted to do the Truck exhaust tube but it wouldnt work considering where the upper control arm is. It is right next to the shock and about level with the top of the threads on the shock. Spring and the adjuster nuts wouldnt fit. Not sure what the adjusters for the coil overs are called. Is your Focus set up that way and if so how did you get around the upper control arm? Also Im limmited on skillset for doing a bunch of cutting and welding. I could probably cut the area out for the truck exhaust but after that Id be screwed as I dont have a welder and I wouldnt trust my welding skills for something that would be under a lot of stress.

I have voluterred 4-5 times in various ways to the point of giving up that you cut and clean and I'd weld.. 4 or 5 times.. I am not going to beg to do favors, and now I am buried for quite a while...

Chris, I don't know if its reading problems or if i intimidate you or what but you vannot just throw random shit onto a car and just hope it works out..
You see the result.
Now because of work/babysit/house rebuild load I don't know when I could do what you should have done way back--before caging the car...or WHEN caging the car.
The stuff clears--How do you think we've bolted the same stuff onto other Fucci?

Where did you get the idea of such insane springs?

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I have voluterred 4-5 times in various ways to the point of giving up that you cut and clean and I'd weld.. 4 or 5 times.. I am not going to beg to do favors, and now I am buried for quite a while...

Chris, I don't know if its reading problems or if i intimidate you or what but you vannot just throw random shit onto a car and just hope it works out..
You see the result.
Now because of work/babysit/house rebuild load I don't know when I could do what you should have done way back--before caging the car...or WHEN caging the car.
The stuff clears--How do you think we've bolted the same stuff onto other Fucci?

Where did you get the idea of such insane springs?[/quote]

Yeah I don't just throw shit at the car and hope it works, I do talk with others that have knowledge in cars. As far as the springs go we knew they may be too stiff. We took some measurements of pivot points and lengths and went with it. We had some springs on hand that were a little more stiff than we wanted but they were there so we tried them. So now I know what too stiff feels like. I think that is a good thing, I learned something.

Im still curous how you fit that coil over in with the upper control arm there. I know you made a whole new set up but you used the existing attachements and cut the hub assembly from the trailing arm as far as I can recall.
Here is a picture of what I'm looking at. I know youve seen it all but others may not know what I'm talking about.

I havent done mine yet but a pic..

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Looks close but fits...

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Yes those are the pics I was thinking of. Yes thats very close!
I see, so there is some sort of extender type sleeve that allows the adjuster nuts to be under the control arm. Thats what I need!