Introduction / 4 seater cage question
Posted by timiacobucci
edward mucklow Professional Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
William Marenich Elite Moderator Location: Auburn, MI Join Date: 01/26/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 42 Rally Car: 91' VW Golf GTI |
With your knowledge of the CSM/DSM, I am surprised you are not building one of these.
This was my first failed attempt at building a rally car. Second time I bought one. 
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edward mucklow Professional Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
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John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
edward mucklow Professional Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
You gonna drive a micro van at least do a version of this, with some Misterbitchy car painted on instead:
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John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
edward mucklow Professional Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
edward mucklow Professional Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
Tim Iacobucci Infallible Moderator Location: Orlando FL Join Date: 02/23/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 48 Rally Car: 90 Plymouth Colt Vista |
William so how did your first build fail? It looks like you had allot done.
Galant racing in Africa, now that sounds like a hell of a story. Any interesting life advice or auto /rally advice to take away from that experience? Ok, first off how do my parts show money? There is exactly 1 new part that I bought used off someone for less than half price. The upgrades for the wavetrac were all of like $25 too. Every other part is used and most of the good shit is from tear downs and part outs I put a ton of work into to make profitable on the side. I don't mind most of the other stuff talking shit about the minivan, that is expected but I did work my ass off and learn a ton to find and collect the parts I've shown you. I'm not sure how to say this about the galant/minivan thing because I don't want to sound disrespectful in a new community so try not to take it as such. I really do listen to advice from those I know have more experience than me in a given subject. The big BUT here though is I don't ever just take advice for its own sake. If I can't see why what you are telling me makes sense then I feel like I am missing something and I haven't really learned anything at all, teach a man to fish an all that. So if you have such strong opinions I would really love to hear the actual reasoning behind that opinion otherwise its sort of useless. I think I've been pretty up front about showing you my hand and my work and time and effort in learning and building a properly appropriate rally machine. The drivetrain mechanicals and steering are mostly akin to evo stuff so I don't think you can dislike that. The engine is very proven. The suspension is directly taken from the galant you all love so much so no argument there. The only major difference I can see left is chassis structure which is the exact subject matter I've been trying to ask advice about this whole time. It is just stiffness? I've been all the way down to the stripped chassis nitty gritty of my colt, dsms, galants and 3000 gts recently. If it is the chassis structure you are objecting to I honestly don't see the fuss. The 3000 gt has much better bracing than any of them but that's also part of the reason why is weighs so goddamn much. The dsm is braced better than the galant. In fact structure wise I would say the closest thing to the galant is the vista. I would wager the front end chassis is actually stiffer on the vista, so it's down to the main body shell and the rear. It is the hatch you dislike? I can understand the structural loss of not having the sheetmetal the sedan body has between the back window and the trunk. That is valid but not exactly insurmountable. I mean there have never been any successful rally hatchbacks right? RIGHT? Ohhhh wait 
Wait, let it sink in. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just more open minded. /sarcasm. So honestly though the difference between a wrc level galant and a stock galant is much greater than that of a stock galant and a stock vista. The difference is mainly in the cage and the structural reinforcement you would give it. Which is why I am here and what I am trying to learn about. Some of you guys build these cages professionally and i have asked quite a few on topic, rally specific cage related questions about fia rules and received like 2 actual answers so far. Again, not to seem disrespectful or ungrateful for any advice given or hopeful to be given. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2015 01:46AM by timiacobucci. |
John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
The difference is basic to the structure and layout and dynamic of the chassi.
Not a piece of this and a piece of that The basics of the car,, Gaylant has proven successful history--proven despite being the heaviest car in the WRC at the time..Good length, width, HEIGHT, and seating position and outwards visibility... The Lancia has a proven record at the highest level--straight WRC dominant car for years. It is physically about the same size, width and HEIGHT as a MkII Golf--with less overhang... I have driven one of those Vista things for about 8-10 days when we had a huge snow storm followed by an ice storm..My partner I manufacture rally parts with has 2: one for him, one for his wife.. I drove wifeys cause she didn't dare venture out. It WAS a fun fuck around hoon car.. Both have rear clutch plate diffs.... It was fun----under 35 mph. A lotta cars are fun to hoon in...but that doesn't mean it would be wise to expend the same TIME, EFFORT and Money --or more---into building them as something that you could spend the same---or less---time money and effort and have a car which is MORE fun, and more competitive---and when you decide you can't afford rally, MIGHT be able to be sold to somebody to re-coup some of the money---it happens... But get the principle clear: just because a car is GOOD doesn't mean its less fun. (To build and actually rally)... I was just talking to a guy in NH about 40 minutes ago who is building a nice car--a car physically very close to the Gaylant---and Le-gassy--also from that same era----we were both searching for understanding this really bizarre fixation on doing weird shit--convertibles, minvans, micro cars with 84" wheelbase and 45 HP... and the inevitable "I want to do something different than "everybody else"... I siad---knowing it is a BIG presumption----let's say you are playing bouncy bouncy with your ____________ (girlfriend--boyfriend--wife--whoever, fill in blank) there are some certain limitations (where you put it is there, length of dong is X length, it works best when it sorta goes in and then out) and then there are well agreed about 104 known positions (let's list them...Face to face (back of the room somebody shouts out 105!!!!) So at any given moment when you're doing the horisontal boogie there is a highly probable chance that in the world at that moment there may be 237,000 people going bouncy bouncy in exactly the same way as you are with your ______________(fill in the blank) Does the knowledge that there are 237,372 people going plongé plongé in the same postion at the same time somehow diminish the fun and excitement of what you are doing? Obviously not.. So the compulsion to do some weird ass thing when there are easier, better and more effective things you are fully aware of means the central thing is not the car but the mind's whim and the need for imagining that doing "something unique" is meaningful or "funner-er"... He recalled a post here--lemme see if i can find it...It was referring to the Hyper-self-promo model of some American guy infamous for his made-for-Tv antics, It seems this is the central thing: So aside from the HEIGHT and the lack of interior space and ...whatever.. Do what you want... you are going to anyway... (And the Group A Gaylants eventually did have some pretty nice special;ty parts, those parts had to bolt in +-20mm of the original positions....So the Group A parts were bigger and stronger, but BASICALLY---the car was the car----and they did phenomenally well as Group N cars) John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Tim Iacobucci Infallible Moderator Location: Orlando FL Join Date: 02/23/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 48 Rally Car: 90 Plymouth Colt Vista |
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