john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Didn't even look at the price...ridiculous for a pile of shit...period Doubly ridiculous that it was posted as something for a rally car on gravel. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
tdrrally edward mucklow Mega Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
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fiasco Andrew Steere Super Moderator Location: South Central Nude Hamster Join Date: 12/29/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 2,008 Rally Car: too rich for my blood, share a LeMons car |
THAT IS A MAJOR INFRACTION. 21 POINTS. Which is Blackjack, you win! Andrew Steere Lyndeborough, NH KB1PJY |
tdrrally edward mucklow Mega Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
the instructions do recommend you weld all the brackets after everything is in place
another option is the maximum motoursports torque arm not cheap either http://www.maximummotorsports.com/MM-Torque-arm-1979-04-Mustang-88-axle-Heavy-Duty-P222.aspx or something like this http://www.cjponyparts.com/upr-rear-upper-control-arm-kit-with-spherical-bearings-1979-2004/p/UCA14/ I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow! first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it! |
Fly-Half Roderick Thomas Super Moderator Location: Houston, Texas Join Date: 02/02/2014 Age: Settling Down Posts: 42 Rally Car: I have one now |
Stop...You're trolling too hard dude. Don't you see this guy is actually building something? And as such might want real advice not how about every bit of shit junk in every mustang junk peddler? Or if you want to keep trolling with thisd junk parts put the god damn price next to it so people don't have to click to see that you posted yet another fucking JOKE..$650 Do you have some compulsion to post junk parts? Or do you not understand they are junk scrap shit? How about http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Lot-4-Coleman-UB-Machine-Swedge-Tube-Sleeve-1-2-3-4-5-8-Steel-25-26-/371266656489 $40 add some rod ends @ $16 each, some rubber rod ends like these for $18 Some of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-link-tabs-Set-of-4-2-75-axle-1-2-hole-1-4-plate-2-5-tall-/131570540762?hash=item1ea23720da&vxp=mtr for $12.50 for 4 Some of these for $11 for 4 for the shocks For $199.50 total.and then some spares.?? |
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Aaron Luptak Aaron Luptak Mod Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
A major infraction?! Oh noes! Wait, I win? Sweet?! (someone award this man an internet, or at least a rally-forum-sub-slice-of-the-internet) KF7RWG http://www.utahrallygroup.com |
tdrrally edward mucklow Mega Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
i do see he is building something, $200 in parts and how much in labor is the question?
at no point did i say go buy this stuff! its more a base line a starting point or a direction to go i plan to replace the steeda kit after it is shot with something along the lines above but until then it stays i would rather spend the time and money running what i have than building i'm looking at my car as late 85 groupe a or production car rather than an open unlimited budget car I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow! first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it! |
Hambone1966 Jason Hamilton Super Moderator Location: Phoenix, AZ Join Date: 04/08/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 32 Rally Car: 1990 Ford Mustang 5.0 |
Since I'm a beginner, I want to understand where you guys are coming from.
The kits that have been posted are called ridiculous - is it because they are too expensive for what they are/what they'll do? Is it because they won't handle a rally because they are made more for street applications? I look at these pictures and see shiny expensive stuff, but I'm not sure what the engineers had in mind with all of it. The STEEDA kit for instance- what is that connection to the differential for? Are all those bolts and adjustments going to be too weak for this kind of driving? Basically, I need good shocks with better than stock travel, control arms with a better range of movement? Sway bar? Jason Hamilton Phoenix, Arizona 1990 Ford Mustang 5.0 It never troubles the wolf how many the sheep may be. |
Aaron Luptak Aaron Luptak Mod Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
in my (by no means authoritative) opinion-
* sheer cost is a definite concern. Can you pay someone to fab up an escort-style setup for less than $1300? No idea. As others have pointed out, the raw parts don't total nearly that amount. * I think anything that's targeted at Street or Road Racing will always have the "is it strong enough for rally?" question hanging over it. * I'd guess that anything that's targeting specific classes that don't allow this-or-that (one mention of the Steeda setup being legal for SCCA's American Sedan road racing class for example) may be making some compromises to work around those rules. (Aside from the bozos in Pee or B-speck) most of those restrictions don't exist in R-A or NRS, so why spend more money for a design compromised to work around restrictions you don't have? Building a mental model in my head of the OE Foxbody suspension, the upper links seem like they'd work against each other to get much axle movement. The steeda kit is better with the parallel upper arms, but I'm not convinced it's $1300 better - and concerned other parts may be weaker etc. After all, the stock(ish) parts worked for Hurst so who am I to argue? Yeah, if somebody handed it to you for free, I'd definitely give it a shot. Spending my own cash? I'd probably plan on doing an escort-style 4-link, and run OE stuff in the interim if necessary. KF7RWG http://www.utahrallygroup.com |
It's an expensive bit of kit for what it is, but it's a near bolt on solution. Those that have more spare time and the ability, will scoff and just build their own. As far as rally vs street/track driving.. it's hard to say what it will take on stage. I have no idea what size of material any of those links are, so it's a hard guess. They seem to be of sufficient diameter, but that's not the whole story. The Steeda kit gets rid of the triangulated 4-link and goes to a more traditional 4-link with a panhard bar. The abomination bolted to the diff (and the right upper link mount) is the pivot for the panhard bar. The other end connects to a bracket on the drivers side frame. This is what is keeping the axle "centered" under the car. The kit does allow you to play with the roll-center height, and that's neat, but the influence of that may not be as big on dirt (I could also be completely wrong with that)). Grant listed a quote from someone who actually rally raced a fox-body. The mods were minimal and realistic, with less fab work compared to going with a long 4-link setup. Main issue with the triangulated 4-link is the weak lowers and the REALLY short uppers that all bind under suspension articulation and bump.
I'm betting one of these will work for the rear lower control arms. Ebay has a lot of rear suspension parts for dirt cheap. The upper links still suck, but that can be remedied with longer links and boxes (or rear set brackets) http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/UPR-200201/79-04-Mustang-UPR-Chrome-Moly-Adjustable-Lower-Control-Arms http://www.ebay.com/itm/Massive-Lower-Control-Arms-LCA-Trailing-Rear-Mustang-79-98-Adjustable-SN95-Cobra-/261043539700?fits=Model%3AMustang Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2015 06:37PM by Robert Culbertson. |
tdrrally edward mucklow Mega Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
for the upper they make a mono ball that replaces the bushing
http://www.skinnykidracecars.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/bear05.jpg http://www.ebay.com/itm/79-04-Mustang-GT-8-8-Axle-Spherical-Rear-Upper-Control-Arm-Bearing-Bushing-Kit-/221515697977?hash=item33935d4f39&vxp=mtr I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow! first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it! |
tdrrally edward mucklow Mega Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
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Stryker Matt Stryker Godlike Moderator Location: North Conway, NH Join Date: 05/25/2015 Age: Settling Down Posts: 3 |
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Hambone1966 Jason Hamilton Super Moderator Location: Phoenix, AZ Join Date: 04/08/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 32 Rally Car: 1990 Ford Mustang 5.0 |
Hey man, sorry to leave you hanging so long! I was too busy building the car to be on here. We were successful in that we made it to the rally, completed tech, and ran a couple of stages. There were too many little electrical gremlins that popped literally on race day... sigh. We didn't have the time to do a complete re-wire. This is the wrong thread for racing results, but its also a natural conclusion to a build thread I suppose.
The alternator wouldn't charge the battery, then while I worked on that the car wouldn't start anymore. I got all that fixed, then our fan died, then the alternator again. 25 year old wiring... all of our new circuits worked perfectly. We are starting a complete engine tear down and re-wire of the whole car. I'll make a new thread for that one as we get started. The car ran great when we were running. The manual rack we put in worked great, it was easy to control, but I see what some were saying earlier in the thread about it being tougher to recover... if I had started to lose it, it could have been hard to get back. Might change to power. The winterforce tires we ran felt great. For travel, we couldn't afford/have time to do what everyone suggested, but we put in good shocks, soft springs, removed the front sway bar and put a stock LX one on back to replace the GT one. This year, our friends at American Motorsports are going to work on a custom suspension for it. I had an absolute blast and I'm hooked. Everyone at the event was very nice and after some reluctance, even my wife was into it when it was over and fully supports me going next year. Thanks to all you guys for the advice. I'll make a post of just pics here in a minute. Jason Jason Hamilton Phoenix, Arizona 1990 Ford Mustang 5.0 It never troubles the wolf how many the sheep may be. |