Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
Some pics of the front suspension progress:
The reason those schrader valves are sitting there is the top-pin has been gun-drilled so we have a way to de/pressurize the shock, the hole just hadn't been tapped yet when the pics were taken. Makes the universal struts truly user-serviceable. That bushing that got bent in shipping has since been replaced. I have some Bilstein ASN shocks on order that will get adapted for the rear which will require converting them to clevis mount for the LCA. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
What travel and valving did you decide on?
I just did some EVO fronts and working on getting articulation in the upper ball joint in the rear for more movement-- You should note that the B46 fambly rear Bilsteins for Evo 8---with the lower clevis thing already---has internal spacers which can be removed adding another roughly 60mm travel--- John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
7.8" travel, not sure how much of that I'll actually get with the ~25mm bump stop.
Here's the valving I chose/guessed and I'm all ears if I f**ked it up: Front: 345-140D Rear: 275-110D Yup, digressively valved. Here's the corner weights, sans meat sacks: The reason I chose the ASN (soon to be superceded by the AS2) is the shrader valve is already there and serviceability is big on our list. Fabbing the adapter won't be a big deal since I'm not the person who has to do it. I know exactly what you're talking about in regards to the Evo rear suspension, even with no shock attached the droop is pretty limited. |
deaner Dane Aura Professional Moderator Location: Caldwell, ID Join Date: 07/07/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 346 Rally Car: PS4 controller |
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DaveK Dave Kern Elite Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Installing the ohlins is a task and a half. Been a while, but I seem to remember having someone hang on the brake/hub to try and pull it down enough to stuff the damper in there. Quite possibly one of the only good things about having a tarmac evo is installing the way short dampers is a cakewalk. LOL Dave |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
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DaveK Dave Kern Elite Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Any chance running a hillclimb in Colorado is on that list? Would be cool to have a couple Evos out this summer. Rumor is there's a ralliart also getting prepped in Denver as well. Dave |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
Right now the plan is just Headwaters and Ojibwe for this year although I'd like to get a hillclimb in the mix for next year. |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
Clevis adapters for the ASN's for the rear are done:
And they'll go on the piston rod end of these: So the rears will be inverted. I've got some Bilstein shock boots on the way to protect the piston rod. Last thing to make is new rear top mounts to interface with the eyelet on the body of the shock. Car goes to the machinist May 3rd to finish all this up so more pics to come. |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
Suspension is done, here's some pictars:
Oh, look at that glorious droop travel! Only have a short test drive to go by but soooooo much better than what was on the car. The rear valving needs more rebound damping but we got no time before Headwaters to order the shims. We can deal with it but will need to be addressed. Get back to me on Monday, but at the moment I'm sold on Bilstein non-adjustable stuff. |
I just did some 8.8in Bilsteins for the rally brick. I'm glad I had the old JVAB stuff to go off of and modify, because it was still a lot of freaking work!
Valving is like 290/125. Pics are from mock-up, hence no brakes. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2016 09:06AM by Robert Culbertson. |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
And you guys aren't making the tubes and the bottoms, and the bushings and making you own upper and lower spring seats* and lock rings, then getting things zinc plated and anodized and making sure that is done right....there's something to be said about production even if it is in short runs or 40-50 units at one time. * I make my own because I don't like the ones supplied..The upper is already partially machined and both have a register for 2 1/2" ID spring...I don't like the limited choice of springs in the "barrel" configuration or the idea of the spring being so close to the body that it will possibly rub. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
The upper spring hat is definitely odd, especially with the 25deg taper on the bottom side. I do like the upper perches you provide.
The Bilstein lower spring seat is decent, and you can always add a spring adapter to take it up to a 3in ID spring. 3in springs are definitely easier to work with if you have the perches already. I found that Swift offers 2.5in barrel springs in 25lb/in increments until you get to a 16in long spring, then it's 50 lbs/in. They are definitely expensive ($110 each), but they offer mega travel for the spring length. The corner weight, spring preload, and length all worked out on the Volvo for a 14in x 225 lb/in Swift spring (about a 1/2-3/4in of preload at full droop btw). |
Nubby Tony Wells Professional Moderator Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: 07/08/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 191 Rally Car: SP Evo IX #112 |
We didn't make Headwaters, my father-in-law was admitted to the ER that Friday and passed on Saturday. RIP Bob, you were a cool dude and you will be missed.
On a happier note. H*LY F*CK*NG SH*T is the new suspension better! We used a highly scientific method to check the damping which was drive over those big 2-foot wide speed bumps that street cars have to come a near stop to clear except do it at 40 MPH. The lack of rear rebound damping was immediately obvious, the rear rebounded too quickly and took about 2.5 oscillations before it settled down. The rear shocks got revalved, I took it out again and it was completely composed over those things at 50 MPH. There's broken/choppy concrete on that same stretch of road and it feels freshly paved. I don't know exactly what was going on with the old stuff, but it seemed to suffer from a lot of sticktion. You had to put a pretty good force into them before they would move, and hence it was like having solid dampers over any small road imperfection. The rear suspension is now so much more compliant, I don't know how the old stuff was valved but even full soft it felt like it was valved for 1000 lb-in springs. It corners about as flat as it did with the old stuff. I'm still running sway bars BTW. So now I do more testing out on gravel roads to see if the valving needs any more tweaking but right now I'm a Bilstein super fan. I never knew how shit the car was because I had no point of comparision. |