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MOTOR vs Engine
February 20, 2006 08:01PM
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mo·tor (mō'tər) pronunciation
n.

1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.
2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.
3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile: “It was a night of lovers. All along the highway … motors were parked and dim figures were clasped in revery” (Sinclair Lewis).

adj.

1. Causing or producing motion: motor power.
2. Driven by or having a motor.
3. Of or for motors or motor vehicles: motor oil.
4. Of, relating to, or designating nerves that carry impulses from the nerve centers to the muscles.
5. Involving or relating to movements of the muscles: motor coordination; a motor reflex.


v., -tored, -tor·ing, -tors.

v.intr.

To drive or travel in a motor vehicle.
v.tr.

To carry by motor vehicle.

[Middle English motour, prime mover, from Latin mōtor, from mōtus, past participle of movēre, to move.]

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verb

To run and control (a motor vehicle): drive, pilot, wheel. Slang tool. See move/halt.


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mo·tor (mō'tər)
adj.

1. Causing or producing motion.
2. Of or being nerves that carry impulses from the nerve centers to the muscles.
3. Involving or relating to movements of the muscles.
4. Of or relating to an organism's overt reaction to a stimulus.

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The noun motor has one meaning:

Meaning #1: machine that converts other forms of energy into mechanical energy and so imparts motion

The verb motor has one meaning:

Meaning #1: travel or be transported in a vehicle
Synonym: drive

The adjective motor has 3 meanings:

Meaning #1: conveying information to the muscles from the CNS
Synonym: centrifugal

Meaning #2: involving or relating to movements of the muscles
Pertains to noun: muscle (meaning #1)

Meaning #3: causing or able to cause motion
Synonym: motive
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A motor is a machine that converts some form of energy into mechanical energy. In some contexts, the word motor refers specifically to an internal combustion engine.

In various contexts, motor may specifically mean:

* Electric motor, a machine which converts electricity into mechanical motion
* Motor car (see automobile)
* Motor neuron - neurons that originate in the spinal cord and synapse with muscle fibers (see motoneuron)
* Motor vehicle (see automobile)
* Molecular motors, the essential agents of movement in living organisms
* Pneumatic motor, a machine which converts energy of compressed air into mechanical motion
* Hydraulic Motor, a hydraulic machine which converts energy of pressurized liquid flow into mechanical motion.

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* Engine
* Timeline of motor and engine technology


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Translations
Translations for: Motor

Nederlands (Dutch)
motor, motorisch, met de auto vervoeren

Français (French)
moteur, bagnole, locomoteur, rouler, voyager en voiture

Deutsch (German)
n. - Motor
adj. - Motor-, Kraftfahrzeug-, motorisch
v. - (mit dem Auto) fahren

Ελληνική (Greek)
n. κινητήρας (κν. μοτέ&#961winking smiley, (αυτοκίνητ&#959winking smiley όχημα adj. κινητήριος, (φυσιολ.) κινητικός v. διακινώ/-ούμαι ή ταξιδεύω με αυτοκίνητο

Italiano (Italian)
motore, viaggiare in auto

Português (Portuguese)
n. - motor (f), carro (m)
adj. - motorizado
v. - passear ou viajar de carro

Русский (Russian)
двигатель, автотранспорт, двигательный мускул, движущий, моторный, ехать на автомобиле

Español (Spanish)
n. - motor, coche, automóvil, carro
adj. - motriz, de motor
v. intr. - ir o viajar en coche
v. tr. - impulsado por motor, llevar en automóvil o avión

Svenska (Swedish)
n. - motor, bil, motorisk muskel, motorisk nerv
adj. - motorisk
v. - bila

中国话 (Simplified Chinese)
n. - 马达, 汽车, 原动力, 发动机, 电动机
adj. - 马达的, 发动的, 汽车的
v. intr. - 驾驶汽车, 乘汽车
v. tr. - 推动, 以汽车载运

中國話 (Traditional Chinese)
n. - 馬達, 汽車, 原動力, 發動機, 電動機
adj. - 馬達的, 發動的, 汽車的
v. intr. - 駕駛汽車, 乘汽車
v. tr. - 推動, 以汽車載運

日本語 (Japanese)
n. - 原動機, 原動機付き乗物, 自動車, 原動力, 自動車株
v. - 自動車で運ぶ, 自動車に乗る
adj. - 動かす, 発動機の

العربيه (Arabic)
‏(الاس&#1605winking smiley محرك, مركبه (صف&#1607winking smiley متعلق بالمركبات (فع&#1604winking smiley يسوق المركبه‏

עברית (Hebrew)‬
n. - ‮מנוע, מכונית, קרונוע, מעונוע‬
adj. - ‮ממונע, מנועי, תנועתי, יוצר תנועה, מוטורי, של מכוניות, של תנועת שריר‬
v. intr. - ‮נסע במכונית‬
v. tr. - ‮הוביל במכונית‬

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Engine:
engine

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Dictionary
en·gine (ĕn'jĭn) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. A machine that converts energy into mechanical force or motion.
2. Such a machine distinguished from an electric, spring-driven, or hydraulic motor by its use of a fuel.
2.
1. A mechanical appliance, instrument, or tool: engines of war.
2. An agent, instrument, or means of accomplishment.
3. A locomotive.
4. A fire engine.
5. Computer Science. A search engine.

tr.v., -gined, -gin·ing, -gines.

To equip with an engine or engines.

[Middle English engin, skill, machine, from Old French, innate ability, from Latin ingenium.]

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engine

1. A specialized processor, such as a graphics processor. Like any engine, the faster it runs, the quicker the job gets done. See graphics engine and printer engine.

2. Software that performs a very specific and repetitive function in contrast to an application that has many functions offered to the user. For example, a "search engine" or "database engine" responds to user queries over and over again. An "SMTP engine" just forwards mail when required. A "dictionary engine" looks up words. See search engine and database engine.


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engine

1. A piece of hardware that encapsulates some function but can't be used without some kind of front end. Today we have, especially, print engine: the guts of a laser printer.

2. An analogous piece of software; notionally, one that does a lot of noisy crunching, such as a database engine.

The hacker senses of engine are actually close to its original, pre-Industrial-Revolution sense of a skill, clever device, or instrument (the word is cognate to ‘ingenuity’). This sense had not been completely eclipsed by the modern connotation of power-transducing machinery in Charles Babbage's time, which explains why he named the stored-program computer that he designed in 1844 the Analytical Engine.
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The noun engine has 3 meanings:

Meaning #1: motor that converts thermal energy to mechanical work

Meaning #2: something used to achieve a purpose

Meaning #3: wheeled vehicle consisting of a self-propelled engine used to draw trains along railway tracks
Synonyms: locomotive, locomotive engine, railway locomotive
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engine

An engine is something that produces some effect from a given input. The origin of engineering was the working of engines. There is an overlap in English between two meanings of the word "engineer": 'those who operate engines' and 'those who design and construct new items'.

Usage of the term

In original usage, an engine was any sort of mechanical device. The term "gin" in cotton gin is a short form of this usage. Practically every device from the industrial revolution was referred to as an engine, and this is where the steam engine gained its name. This form of the term has recently come into use once again in computer science, where terms like search engine, "3-D graphics rendering engine" and "text-to-speech engine" are common. The earliest mechanical computing device was called the difference engine; Military devices such as catapults are referred to as siege engines.

In more recent usage, the term is typically used to describe devices that perform mechanical work, follow-ons to the original steam engine. In most cases the work is supplied by exerting a torque, which is used to operate other machinery, generate electricity, pump water or compress gas.

In the context of propulsion systems, an air breathing engine is one that uses atmospheric air to oxidise the fuel carried, rather than carrying an oxidiser, as in a rocket. Theoretically, this should result in a better specific impulse than for rocket engines.

History of engines

Antiquity

While chemical and electrical engines of enormous power dominate the modern world, engines themselves are not new. Engines using human power, animal power, water power, wind power and even steam power date back to antiquity.

Human power was focused by the use of simple engines, such as the capstan, windlass or treadmill, and with ropes, pulleys, and block and tackle arrangements, this power was transmitted and multiplied. These were commonly used in cranes and aboard ships during Ancient Greece, and in mines, water pumps and siege engines in Ancient Rome. Early oared warships used human power augmented by the simple engine of the lever -- the oar itself. The writers of those times, including Vitruvius, Frontinus and Pliny the Elder, treat these engines as commonplace, so their invention may be far more ancient.

By the 1st century AD, various breeds of cattle and horses were used in mills, using machines similar to those powered by humans in earlier times.

According to Strabo, a water powered mill was built in Kaberia in the kingdom of Mithridates in the 1st century BC. Use of water wheels in mills slowly spread through Europe over the next few centuries. Some were quite complex, with aqueducts, dams, and sluices to maintain and channel the water, and systems of gears, or toothed-wheels made of wood with metal, used to regulate the speed of rotation. In a poem by Ausonius in the 4th century, he mentions a stone-cutting saw powered by water.

Hero of Alexandria demonstrated both wind and steam powered machines in the 1st century, although it's not known if these were put to any practical use until much later.

Modern

English inventor Sir Samuel Morland allegedly used gunpowder to drive water pumps in the 17th century. For more conventional, reciprocating internal combustion engines the fundamental theory for two-stroke engines was established by Sadi Carnot, France, 1824, whilst the American Samuel Morey received a patent on April 1, 1826.

Automotive production down the ages has required a wide range of energy-conversion systems. These include electric, steam, solar, turbine, rotary, and different types of piston-type internal combustion engines. The gasoline internal combustion engine, operating on a four-stroke Otto cycle, has traditionally been the most successful for automobiles, while diesel engines are widely used for trucks and buses. However, in the twenty first century the diesel engine has been increasing in popularity with automobile owners. This is partially due to the improvement of engine control systems (computers) and forced induction (turbos and superchargers), giving modern diesel engines the same power characteristics as gasoline engines. This is especially evident with the popularity of diesel engines in Europe.

The internal combustion engine was originally selected for the automobile due to its flexibility over a wide range of speeds. Also, the power developed for a given weight engine was reasonable; it could be produced by economical mass-production methods; and it used a readily available, moderately priced fuel--gasoline.

In today’s world, there has been a growing emphasis on the pollution producing features of automotive power systems. This has created new interest in alternate power sources and internal-combustion engine refinements that were not economically feasible in prior years. Although a few limited-production battery-powered electric vehicles have appeared from time to time, they have not proved to be competitive owing to costs and operating characteristics. However, the gasoline engine, with its new emission-control devices to improve emission performance, has not yet been challenged significantly.

The first half of the twentieth century saw a trend to increase engine power, particularly in the American models. Design changes incorporated all known methods of raising engine capacity, including increasing the pressure in the cylinders to improve efficiency, increasing the size of the engine, and increasing the speed at which power is generated. The higher forces and pressures created by these changes created engine vibration and size problems that led to stiffer, more compact engines with V and opposed cylinder layouts replacing longer straight-line arrangements. In passenger cars, V-8 layouts were adopted for all piston displacements greater than 250 cubic inches (4 litres).

Smaller cars brought about a return a to smaller engines, the four- and six-cylinder designs rated as low as 80 horsepower (60 kW), compared with the standard-size V-8 of large cylinder bore and relatively short piston stroke with power ratings in the range from 250 to 350 hp (190 to 260 kW).

The automobile motor from Europe had a bigger range, varying from 1to12 cylinders with corresponding differences in overall size, weight, piston displacement, and cylinder bores. Four cylinders and power ratings from 19 to 120 hp (14 to 90 kW) was followed in a majority of the models. Several three-cylinder, two-stroke-cycle models were built while most engines had straight or in-line cylinders. There were several V-type models and horizontally opposed two- and four-cylinder makes too. Overhead camshafts were frequently employed. The smaller engines were commonly air-cooled and located at the rear of the vehicle; compression ratios were relatively low. The 1970s and '80s saw an increased interest in improved fuel economy which brought in a return to smaller V-6 and four-cylinder layouts, with as many as five valves per cylinder to improve efficiency.

Air-breathing engines

Air-breathing engines use atmospheric air to oxidise the fuel carried, rather than carrying an oxidiser, as in a rocket. Theoretically, this should result in a better specific impulse than for rocket engines.

Air-breathing engines include:

* Internal combustion engine
* Jet engine
* Ramjet
* Scramjet
* Pulse detonation engine
* Pulse jet
* Liquid air cycle engine/SABRE

References

* J. G. Landels, Engineering in the Ancient World, ISBN 0520041275

See also

* Spacecraft propulsion
* Aircraft engine
* Air engine
* Car engine
* Electric motor
* Motorcycle engine
* External-combustion engine
o Steam engine
o Steam turbine
o Stirling engine
* Internal-combustion engine
o Controlled Combustion Engine
o Gas turbine
o Jet engine
o Rocket
o Diesel engine
o Gasoline engine
o HCCI engine
o Radial engine
o Stelzer engine
o Orbital engine
o Wankel engine
o Quasiturbine
* Outboard motor
* Timeline of motor and engine technology
* Turbine
* Water turbine

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Translations
Translations for: Engine

Nederlands (Dutch)
motor, machine, instrument, waterspuit, locomotief, duivelse uitvinding, motorisch, motoriseren

Français (French)
moteur, locomotive

Deutsch (German)
n. - Motor, Maschine, Lokomotive
v. - mit Maschinen versehen

Ελληνική (Greek)
n. (μηχαν.) κινητήρας, μοτέρ, ατμάμαξα, οτομοτρίς attrib. της μηχανής

Italiano (Italian)
motore, locomotiva, meccanico, di motore, a macchina

Português (Portuguese)
n. - motor (m), locomotiva (f)

Русский (Russian)
двигатель, мотор, паровоз, локомотив, средство

Español (Spanish)
n. - motor, máquina, locomotora, a motor

Svenska (Swedish)
n. - maskin, motor, instrument
attr. - motor-, lok-

中国话 (Simplified Chinese)
n. - 引擎, 机车, 发动机
v. tr. - 安装发动机于

中國話 (Traditional Chinese)
n. - 引擎, 機車, 發動機
v. tr. - 安裝發動機於

日本語 (Japanese)
n. - エンジン, 機関, 機械
v. - 機関を据え付ける, 機関を備える

العربيه (Arabic)
‏(الاس&#1605winking smiley آله, محرك‏

עברית (Hebrew)‬
n. - ‮מנוע, קטר‬
v. tr. - ‮קבע מנוע ב-‬

If



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 20, 2006 08:09PM
Wow !!!

Now that's what I call an exhaustive search !

"Hey Phyllis, will you be a dear and go to the merchant for scones for high noon tea ?"

Does Phyllis take the :

Motorcar or Enginecar ?





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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 20, 2006 08:18PM
It's from "http://www.answers.com/";
It's great if you love languages and origins.
Chrissita and I refer to it often to give fuller backgrounds to word usage and comparisons.

Loads of fun.


Hey Mouse't affa you can call the fuckin thing whatever you want to call it, its a POS anyway NYAH NYAH!!!!



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 01:18AM
While engine is more generally accepted for I/C "engines" like the lump under your hood, the rule is broken a lot. Two notable exceptions are motorcycle and boat motor.

And she runs to the market for tea and crumpets in a 67 Cuda. Beeyotch.





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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 01:47AM
It seems what most guys who get too fuckin picky about terms where there are alternate common usages forget is the TERMS are mere referants to the stoooopid lump we all know exactly what we are talking about.

If I am standing by a nice rally car with smoke rising fronm the charred wreck of a thing under the hood and rods raining down like schrapnel and I say the "Bugger! The motors blown itself to bits" there is no doubt that the motor in question is the one that just spray the pistons thru the hood and around the field, not the fuckin motor for the windscreen squirters.

All language is filled with constant and subtle negotiations between speakers unconciously and continually agreeing on what words or even fragments or grunts both mean and imply (as well as what they don't mean).

It is an entirely pointless and barren tautaulogy to make the soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long ago-it-reached-the-point-of-who-gives-a-fuck point that some people prefer to say "engine" where some prefer "motor" and still opthers say mill, or (rice) grinder....

There is no doubt what a speaker means, it is silly to fight.

Mussie, pull your hair when people report that the "entire village of 2400 people was 'decimated' with no survivors"
THAT's UNCLEAR because it is so wrong.



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 02:09AM
Sorry I can't resist :

MotorCar

FireEngine

MotorCycle

Locomotive Engine

Boat Motor

Jet Engine

Conclusion :

Emmision producing, fossil fuel burning... can be either Engines OR Motors !

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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 03:41AM
I don't care, call it a kettle oe a showel if you want, until i drive a hybrid I will only have an engine under the BONNET !

Here we go another one starts now. Muhahhahhahhahhaaaaaaaa





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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 08:58AM
john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> from
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> motor
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> Or did you mean: electric motor (machine)
> Dictionary
> mo·tor (mō'tər) pronunciation
> n.
>
> 1. Something, such as a machine or an engine,
> that produces or imparts motion.

I love how the definition of motor uses engine haha



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 04:31PM
This one settles it for me.

Elwood: Oh no.
Jake: What the fuck was that?
Elwood: The motor. We've thrown a rod.
Jake: Is that serious?
Elwood: Yup.



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 05:30PM
Motor is easier to spell so I use it more.



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Re: MOTOR vs Engine
February 21, 2006 08:52PM
holy shit, a blues brothers quote is enough to decide me!
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