Deconstruction progress....

The passenger side seat mounting needed to be widened due to fitting a little bit nicer seat in the car, unfortunately when I pulled the driver's seat I noticed that the mounts are bent down on that as well, so I'll have to reinforce that as well now...oh well, the passenger seat is getting pushed back close to the cage and lowered a bit closer to the ground....


Getting the engine bay ready, stripping the harness, pulled the motor, I am working on getting the ebrake installed hence why one of the master cylinders is empty, going to get some stitching done here too:


fuel cell out for sealing and whatnot



I'm planning on doing some stitching while I have everything out too....anybody have any blank checks they wanna give me?


oh and suspension porn for john:





last numbers on that are H1

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More pics Please!

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

Yes Tom need more pics

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-Jason

Please gusset the X bar in the door opening..please ??

car is already booked

...do I still need to?

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What car is this? Is this Jim Thomson's old car?

Looks like a poorly engineered seat mount.

Yeah, its Jim's old car...I was disapointed with the seat mounts...they look beefy, butthere isn't enough support apparently. On the driver's side I am going to get everything bent back, then add some supports. On the passenger side I will use box tube....that worked in my car really well.

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You don't need the gussets to be legal (maybe we should work on that for rules) but it is easy, cheap and very important. If you look at those particular bars they join in such a fashion that there is only one tube in the middle. The add on bars stop short of each other. If you hit in the center it may break causing injury, although Pirates of The Caribbean has made having a peg leg more fashionable.

Arrrrr

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heymagic Wrote:
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> You don't need the gussets to be legal (maybe we
> should work on that for rules) but it is easy,
> cheap and very important. If you look at those
> particular bars they join in such a fashion that
> there is only one tube in the middle. The add on
> bars stop short of each other. If you hit in the
> center it may break causing injury, although
> Pirates of The Caribbean has made having a peg leg
> more fashionable.

Has this ever actually happened? I've been hearing it as support for doing v-style door bars and there's only one incident I've heard of where the door bar impaled the leg and from what I heard it was more of a, had it not been for instant death from the head injuries, he'd probably have died from blood loss. It was after that incident that I started hearing support for v style door bars.

Though I always support gussets and such. I get annoyed when people leave them out to save the seventeen minutes it takes to make a set and weld them on. Fuck, you can give me the angle and I'll make all four for you for a small fee.

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NoCoast Wrote:
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> heymagic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You don't need the gussets to be legal (maybe
> we
> > should work on that for rules) but it is
> easy,
> > cheap and very important. If you look at
> those
> > particular bars they join in such a fashion
> that
> > there is only one tube in the middle. The add
> on
> > bars stop short of each other. If you hit in
> the
> > center it may break causing injury, although
> > Pirates of The Caribbean has made having a
> peg leg
> > more fashionable.
>
> Has this ever actually happened? I've been
> hearing it as support for doing v-style door bars
> and there's only one incident I've heard of where
> the door bar impaled the leg and from what I heard
> it was more of a, had it not been for instant
> death from the head injuries, he'd probably have
> died from blood loss. It was after that incident
> that I started hearing support for v style door
> bars.
>
> Though I always support gussets and such. I get
> annoyed when people leave them out to save the
> seventeen minutes it takes to make a set and weld
> them on. Fuck, you can give me the angle and I'll
> make all four for you for a small fee.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO


Dan Sprongle had to retire from co-driving after the door bars broke apart and fractured his pelvis (This is a potentially fatal injury). This was at STPR a couple years ago.

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They didn't break, just bent really far in.

Secondly, I believe Dan actually codrove just a few months ago for the Suzuki guy.

http://www.fourstarmotorsports.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=0wVYVRQp%2bsY%3d&tabid=76&mid=400

Quote: "The x-shaped door bars in the roll cage deflected but did not break away,
while the cage deflected along the A-pillar, absorbing energy."

Of course, they also had the V type door bars in that cage that are two continuous bars.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> They didn't break, just bent really far in.
>
> Secondly, I believe Dan actually codrove just a
> few months ago for the Suzuki guy.
>
>
>
> Quote: "The x-shaped door bars in the roll cage
> deflected but did not break away,
> while the cage deflected along the A-pillar,
> absorbing energy."
>
> Of course, they also had the V type door bars in
> that cage that are two continuous bars.

This brings up another point. Mike Hurst has said Nascar style door bars that curve out to the door skin are no good because if you hit a tree hard enough they will just bend all the way in until they are in tension. (His opinion, not mine. I believe that if you hit a tree hard enough that a Nascar style doorbar bends in all the way to tension then you are dead anyway and no kind of doorbar would have stopped that.) Anyway, his preferred way of making the X style doorbars is with the two continous bent V bars stacked on top of each other and only really held together with a gusset. Hello! Isn't the aforementioned tree going to swing the V bars way into the car under tension? Seems like he's contradicting himself. The reason the two continuous V bars are preferred is because the intersecting welded bars can allegedly fail at the joint and impale you (though nobody can seem to come up with an example of this actually happening), yet the premise is the gusset on the continuous V bars can't ever fail? I don't buy it. At least with the intersecting bars even if the weld failed and the gussets failed (I absolutely recommend those), which is highly unlikely, you would still have one bar in tension.

OK, rant over.

If the continuous vee bars were just welded together then under inpact the center would try to hinge. Once the welds tore away it would likely hinge like you're saying. Proper taco gussets take away most of the hinge effect. The gusset goes into tension to prevent the hinging. As Dave says though, at some point if you hit hard enough....kind of like the motorcycle helmet law, yup they are great , I wouldn't ride without one, but at 100 mph and you lay it over or a Buick pulls in front 60 , not so pretty.