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RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution

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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 02, 2012 11:41PM
Seriously cool dude!!! Makes me want to build a set for the screamer NA G2 motor I should be building.....
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 12:10AM
That plenum will flow much better if the trumpets extended into the box between .250 and .500. It is worth making the change.



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 05:17AM
What Robert said. Also, did you figure out the volume of the plenum? It looks big enough but you want it to be about equal to the displacement of the engine.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 02:12PM
As these wise men have stated, your trumps MUST be elevated above the floor.

And William, steel???
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 05:29PM
Peter,

In the greater scheme of things the steel plenum really isn't a big issue. I don't think that William has aluminum welding capability yet.

William,

If you need some TIG work done let me know.



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 05:49PM
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Peter,

In the greater scheme of things the steel plenum really isn't a big issue. I don't think that William has aluminum welding capability yet.

William,

If you need some TIG work done let me know.

I need some tig work.



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 09:31PM
what dose the the trumpets lifted off the base help and how? I would like to
explane it on the blog. The hole is 3 inch only inlet im only doing all this because
I want to run the stock maff. At a latter date use the uk computer which is run
on a map im just worried theres another can of worms in that.

I did think about it and dident. you lurn some how. What would having the volume
match the motor help on this set up? its itb on a maff there really shouldent be any plentom just a big foam dome.

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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 03, 2012 09:54PM
I understand that you are just experimenting to see whay you can make. I'll also put down money right now that you will make more power with four cone filters. There is heavy CFD design analysis in even the lowliest OEM manifold and I can count a couple of pro teams that have lost power by making their own manifold.

Also fair warning the Honda throttle body set you picked has a TPS that is not replaceable if it fails. Honda only sells them with complete throttle body sets for big $. Where are you putting the injectors? The Honda stuff you picked uses dual plane injectors so the ones in the throttle body are half size because there is another set in the top of the air box to make up the difference.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 12:06AM
I bet money it will run like shit with no maff that's the only reason im making a
plentom I know what it needs just im trying too compensate and use a full stock
harness or for now. Like I said in the last I wish I could do a big foam ITB cover.
The TPS why dose it matter? The whole thing was 89 bucks? worst case make it
adapt to stock ford tps. Wrx injectors in stock location? the duratec has injectors in
The head, so im going to plug up the minis just plum thew the honda ideology air
bypass. There is 4 screws air mix or something do those need to be on vacuum,
If not im golden



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 12:54AM
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I understand that you are just experimenting to see whay you can make. I'll also put down money right now that you will make more power with four cone filters. There is heavy CFD design analysis in even the lowliest OEM manifold and I can count a couple of pro teams that have lost power by making their own manifold.

Also fair warning the Honda throttle body set you picked has a TPS that is not replaceable if it fails. Honda only sells them with complete throttle body sets for big $. Where are you putting the injectors? The Honda stuff you picked uses dual plane injectors so the ones in the throttle body are half size because there is another set in the top of the air box to make up the difference.

I think Tim was asking how you are going to do the injectors. Since, the CBR1000 uses 8 injectors. Four in the throttle bodies for lower rpm/low load and then it kicks in the other 4 which are up stream and spray into the TBs (from the plenum) under high load. The problem with running the stock 4 injectors in the Tb is that they might be too small.
With a really quick ratio comparison of the CBR and the Ford:
CBR 1.0L, probably uses the TB injectors up to 12000 RPM (all numbers from my butt). Assuming 100% volumetric efficiency, you can supply fuel for 6000L of air (1.0L * 12000RPM *1/2)
Let's say the Ford is 2.0L. That means you can only supply fuel to 6000RPM with the stock injectors.
So, I would look into possible adapting bigger fuel injectors into the TBs.
Just my thoughts.



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 12:58AM
William, your work is good, but man... use a spell checker and try to proof read your posts. It takes away from your credibility. Especially if you want to sell a kit or build these for other people. You spelled "learn" "lurn"

Chrome has one built in...



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 01:19AM
Yeah, so best of luck to you.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 01:38AM
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I understand that you are just experimenting to see whay you can make. I'll also put down money right now that you will make more power with four cone filters. There is heavy CFD design analysis in even the lowliest OEM manifold and I can count a couple of pro teams that have lost power by making their own manifold.

Also fair warning the Honda throttle body set you picked has a TPS that is not replaceable if it fails. Honda only sells them with complete throttle body sets for big $. Where are you putting the injectors? The Honda stuff you picked uses dual plane injectors so the ones in the throttle body are half size because there is another set in the top of the air box to make up the difference.

I think Tim was asking how you are going to do the injectors. Since, the CBR1000 uses 8 injectors. Four in the throttle bodies for lower rpm/low load and then it kicks in the other 4 which are up stream and spray into the TBs (from the plenum) under high load. The problem with running the stock 4 injectors in the Tb is that they might be too small.
With a really quick ratio comparison of the CBR and the Ford:
CBR 1.0L, probably uses the TB injectors up to 12000 RPM (all numbers from my butt). Assuming 100% volumetric efficiency, you can supply fuel for 6000L of air (1.0L * 12000RPM *1/2)
Let's say the Ford is 2.0L. That means you can only supply fuel to 6000RPM with the stock injectors.
So, I would look into possible adapting bigger fuel injectors into the TBs.
Just my thoughts.

Duratec injector bungs are IN THE HEAD.
He can run with injectors IN THE HEAD.
Enough with the volumetric efficiency and blah blah ing about too small.

He can stick any damn injector he wants---big as he wants since bore wash down is so important that everybody has to use 1000cc/min---and he can put them IN THE HEAD and plug the holes like he said
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the duratec has injectors in
The head, so im going to plug up the minis
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Yep right there, i was pretty sure he said it.

See the bungs in this ancient photo from 8 years ago?




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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 01:39AM
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William, your work is good, but man... use a spell checker and try to proof read your posts. It takes away from your credibility. Especially if you want to sell a kit or build these for other people. You spelled "learn" "lurn"

Chrome has one built in...

So does Firefox. People should use it. You are young enough not to be afraid of computers. John though, that's another story.
I'm not sure if JVL can't actually spell or if that's actually the way he talks and his brain thinks...?
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
April 04, 2012 02:22AM
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William, your work is good, but man... use a spell checker and try to proof read your posts. It takes away from your credibility. Especially if you want to sell a kit or build these for other people. You spelled "learn" "lurn"

Chrome has one built in...

So does Firefox. People should use it. You are young enough not to be afraid of computers. John though, that's another story.
I'm not sure if JVL can't actually spell or if that's actually the way he talks and his brain thinks...?

There is a vast difference between TYPOs and playing with spellings for fun---the written equivalents of dialects and accents...and in essentially throw-away type communication like 95% of forum based chatter, who gives a flying fuck?

I can spell, and speak, just fine and as you know, with near certainly in a few more languages effectively that most here...

I can do a few things really well because I care about them.
I do not care to be admired as a fucking typist.eye rolling smiley



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