heymagic Banned Super Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
RA accepts NRS logbooks, but a logbook is nothing more than a history of the car these days. It is never a guarantee that a car will be accepted at an event.
Glass would be a safety item as far as I'm concerned. Since I haven't seen any published specs as to what a factory thickness is..... As to NRS in the midwest or even northwest, it is an organizer decision whom they seek sanctioning with. So I'd bet if you approached NRS with a sound plan for a rally you could make it happen in the midwest. Personally I like the new rule. Thick Lexan presents a whole set of issues that glass doesn't. |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Professional Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
The purpose of the rule is to keep your arms in the car, so they stay attatched to your body. Also ther is intent that your windows will keep objects out of the car, out of the car, such as, but not limtied to Branches, large rocks , small animals. Would a window net keep your arm in the car? YES! would a window net keep a large branch out of the car (most likely) Yes would a window net keep an Owl out of your car? YES! would 1/8" think lexan? yes! would a trash bag. uhm no. saran wrap? nope, you should see how quickly my hand goes through that.. if its "blocking" me from getting at bacon... that's the real life sensible answer. that's also why you can have your back windows down 1" but not your fronts. (less concerns about something flying in from the rear window to hit you, or even getting your fingers out of it) |
Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Ultra Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
My comments were about the rear windows --- those behind the driver and codriver.
If you break out your windshield you can not continue unless it is replaced If you break one of your front-side windows, you can not continue without a window-net (or arm-restraints --at least that used to be a rule) If you break out your rear window -- you can continue with NOTHING or duct-tape cardboard or a trash bag over it. I realize this may not technically be the rule, but it IS what actually happens. No one makes you install a window net over the rear hatch-hole where the glass used to be in order to continue. They say "hey man, you might want to put something over that to keep the dust out so you don't puke in your own lap." and then let you go right out on the stages. So, why is there a rule about this for the rear windows? Do I need to add a stash of extra plexi windows to my service boxes now in addition to a windshield, window nets, & arm restraints? ____________________________________________________________- One. Class -- 2WD www.quantumrallysport.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Quantum-Rally-Sport/281129179600?ref=nf Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2012 10:23AM by Josh Wimpey. |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Mod Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
The whole thing with polycarbonate either generic of GE's trademarked version "lexan" is that it doesn't shatter...remember space helmets...can have a little microscopic fleck of cosmic dust traveling 60&% of speed of light shattering Neil Armstrong's helmet!!! Think of the children!! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Dazed_Driver Banned Senior Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
I had a machine shop teacher at LWTC who told us the story of one of his prior students refusing to wear poly carb safety glasses.
When asked why he kept taking them off he replied, "How are these plastic things going to stop anything?" Mike then proceeded to rip the glasses off his collar, slam them on the table, got a center punch and hammer, and asked him to shatter the glasses. He wore them after that. (probably a new pair) Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned. |
Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Ultra Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
I can't think of anything either which is why I brought it up. I really hate to see that effort was spent to revise a rule without any clarity as to 'why' the rule is there in the first place. So, I hope the rules writers can chime in here with some reasoning.
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hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Mod Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
I don't even know who the NRS rule writers are these days. Used to be that a group of scrutineers from all over the country got together on quarterly phone calls and chatted over stuff like that. That got quashed about three years ago and I have no idea how rules are decided now.
Self-righteous douche canoe |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Could it be? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
fiasco Andrew Steere Super Moderator Location: South Central Nude Hamster Join Date: 12/29/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 2,008 Rally Car: too rich for my blood, share a LeMons car |
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Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Ultra Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
Sad to see no rules guys chime in here with any thoughts.
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imnotcrazy Don Kennedy Super Moderator Location: Reading, PA Join Date: 10/05/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 227 Rally Car: Impreza |
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Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Ultra Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
So, OK great the rule is simpler than the old rule but it fails to address or clarify a number of issues I have brought up here. For example: If one of your rear windows is broken during an event, will you be allowed to continue without replacing it with plexi or glass meeting the rule? If the tech inspector allows you to continue without the window or with say cardboard taped over the hole to keep dust out and a competitor files a protest claiming you broke the rules, will the protest be upheld or a penalty incurred? ____________________________________________________________- One. Class -- 2WD www.quantumrallysport.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Quantum-Rally-Sport/281129179600?ref=nf |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Professional Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
The rules do not say you HAVE to have a window, simply that if it's Lexan it has to be of a certain thickness.
What about cars like Mason Moyle's where the rear windows are vinyl wrapped? The most fun I've had in my rally car was with goggles and no windshield. I might even make a Lexan windshield so I can add and remove it with Dzus fittings for hill climb events. I'll toss glass in if I ever decide I want to travel 1000 miles to do a stage rally. Grant Hughes |
Anders Green Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Thoughts? Lots of people mistakenly believe that it's worth the trouble of shaving off four pounds and spending a week of fab time / ordering / purchasing / shipping / researching time to accomplish this. For those people, this makes it simpler than it was. The internet will disappoint you if you want lots of in depth answers. I've been at the beach. You (or anyone) can call me if you're still curious about sublties, you've got my number. Cheers! Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |