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So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)

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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
November 17, 2016 06:50PM
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Are you guys talking about Seed 9? I thought they only had like six entries?
They started 8, 6 cars and 2 UTVs, disappointing I'm sure when events like prescott and gorman are 20ish for entries.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
November 23, 2016 12:56PM
https://www.facebook.com/ChallengeXtremeElite/photos/pb.1586344314992838.-2207520000.1479926982./1626689964291606/?type=3&theater

What the hell is going on?

Too much branding, not enough thinking.



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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
November 23, 2016 02:27PM
Rally Solo showed up in NASA events a couple years ago I think.
Haven't paid much attention to it but my impression is that it hasn't caught on.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 03:12PM
10 entries for the most extreme of things series next event which is 3 weeks away...

Apparently their only appeal is being able to use studded wrc tires. Who knew?
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 04:09PM
Sanair - 10 cars, one bike, 4 SxS.
Considering this is run on a road course and support roads with lapping... it'll be interesting how they fold in the other vehicles.

VLT was 10 cars, 1 bike, 1 quad, 4 SxS
Mekinac was 11 cars, 1 bike 2 SxS
Portneuf was 5 cars, 1 bike, 3 SxS

Neutral in terms of entry numbers... and relatively disappointing I'd think for both a series that used to draw mid-20s regularly AND for Spec suppliers who are not selling to a broad market. (I'd think they would sell as much product by being a 'preferred supplier' for the CRC as they are by being a mandated supplier in the CXE
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 04:32PM
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for Spec suppliers who are not selling to a broad market. (I'd think they would sell as much product by being a 'preferred supplier' for the CRC as they are by being a mandated supplier in the CXE

I'm not so sure about that. By taking control over essentially the market for a region, they have dictated that (regardless of whether people are running in CARS or NASA events) that the region runs those products regardless, and at inflated prices to boot.

Pretty brilliant market strategy, have basically given themselves a defacto monopoly that also affects other eastern regions (Ontario and the maritimes) on what brands they buy in the off chance they want to compete in those events.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 06:49PM
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I'm not so sure about that.
That doesn't surprise me. Disagreeing with me seems to be a sport for you these days.

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By taking control over essentially the market for a region, they have dictated that (regardless of whether people are running in CARS or NASA events) that the region runs those products regardless, and at inflated prices to boot.

But they haven't 'taken control' over anything but the market for the CXE. Over 100 teams entered CRC events, and a fair number more entered regional events only in 2017. While some teams buy Panta and Pirelli anyway, it wouldn't take a lot of 'loyalty' buys from across Canada to match the sales of the Spec deal. (This assumes the product is good, and priced fairly)

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Pretty brilliant market strategy, have basically given themselves a defacto monopoly that also affects other eastern regions (Ontario and the maritimes) on what brands they buy in the off chance they want to compete in those events.
I'd agree with you if we saw every team in the east burning panta and melting pirelli... I don't think we do.
From what I'm hearing, their involvement with the CXE isn't really creating 'good will' in the community.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 11:06PM
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10 entries for the most extreme of things series next event which is 3 weeks away...

Apparently their only appeal is being able to use studded wrc tires. Who knew?

Only a single BRAND of NEW tires purchased from a single source
Only a single gasoline purchased from a single source..
Come on mang, you only telling half the awesomeness.



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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 11:10PM
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From what I'm hearing, their involvement with the CXE isn't really creating 'good will' in the community.

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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 11:17PM
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From what I'm hearing, their involvement with the CXE isn't really creating 'good will' in the community.

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goes to Mieth Korrison of Calgary out in fair Alberta.

To be fair, MIA Rally Anarchist Don Holland-Oates made that comment before I did.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
March 28, 2017 11:54PM
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From what I'm hearing, their involvement with the CXE isn't really creating 'good will' in the community.

The UNDERSTATEMENT of the WEEK Award



goes to Mieth Korrison of Calgary out in fair Alberta.

To be fair, MIA Rally Anarchist Don Holland-Oates made that comment before I did.

whatever...

I've heard stuff that makes me sound like a fawkin choirboy..



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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
April 03, 2017 04:54PM
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That doesn't surprise me. Disagreeing with me seems to be a sport for you these days.

I forgot about this thread for a couple of days. I had a big long post written up but ended up having to do something and closed the window.

The gist of my post was, you don't know everything Keith, and you are certainly the last person I would ever take advice from on anything business related. drinking smiley But keep on keepin' on, I'll be at your event as I've committed to the full CRC season.

While I disagree with CXE and Tremblay, people like you are the reason (right or wrong) NASA has made inroads into Canada.
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Re: So it begins (splintering of Canadian rallysport?)
April 03, 2017 06:35PM
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...and you are certainly the last person I would ever take advice from on anything business related.
Far be it to presume to give you any advice on business. So far I've been expressing my opinion - in this case that having 100 potential clients is more valuable than having 10 mandated clients. Besides which, in any discussions that are even remotely business related, you've shown not even the remotest ability to grasp anything but the most superficial understanding. (Including not being able to invoice for services or even not being able to deposit payment when received... and this is when you were handling other people's money!)

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I'll be at your event as I've committed to the full CRC season.
The CSCC and WCRA have events that I have organized... I'll assume you mean those events. I put a lot of effort into making events happen, and always try and consider how they impact the volunteers, competitors, and local stakeholders. I don't think of them as 'my' events by any stretch.

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While I disagree with CXE and Tremblay, people like you are the reason (right or wrong) NASA has made inroads into Canada.
I'd love for you to point to some examples to substantiate this suggestion.

The only 'inroad' NRS has in Canada is CXE. The only reason CXE is NASA sanctioned is that Tremblay couldn't come to a working agreement with RSQ that would allow him to be CARS Sanctioned. (If you read through the initial GCRs for CXE there was a really funny typo that made it clear they had done a find/replace for CARS and NASA... 10.7. Decals - On all NASA, the organizing committee must ensure that all series sponsor decals are installed according to the positions previously established by the CXE and supplied by the CXE.')
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