Wheel studs...

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Josh Wimpey
cheapo $139 studs
"race" studs for under $4

cheap is $139? what am I missing?

Looking at my spreadsheet, I ordered my press in m14 studs and lug nuts from this place.
Here's their 5 pack of M14 thread in ones.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C13-9518

Mine are still sitting in a box though.

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modernbeat
I've been using MSI studs, though their nuts are too big for some wheels.

http://msiracingproducts.com/products.html

Don't get them too long so they don't get damaged.

What do those M14 thangs cost?

2nded.

Found these: http://prosystembrakes.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=799
Bimmerworld also has thread-in wheel studs "Made by one of America's leading manufacturers of race fasteners" (Guessing MSI?) from $5-$15. Each.

Far as I can figg'ah they're abooot $9.98/stud and 3.98 /nut EACH

Bugpack--used since 1987 with zero failures---$10/5 pack.

Those look nice....

But for that price i want to have steel inserts in the wheels, cylindrical drive sleeves around the base of studs.

And a reach-around.

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Bugpack--used since 1987 with zero failures---$10/5 pack.

Thank god for baja buggy parts!

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Josh Wimpey
cheapo $139 studs
"race" studs for under $4

cheap is $139? what am I missing?

Cheap is $1.39 each

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Josh Wimpey
cheapo $139 studs
"race" studs for under $4

cheap is $139? what am I missing?

Cheap is $1.39 each

Huh? wha? All confused now..whatchoo suggestin' ? Screw in?
What advantage? why?

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john vanlandingham
Huh? wha? All confused now..whatchoo suggestin' ? Screw in?
What advantage? why?

Screw in? Yes. Easy, cheap, easy

What advantage? What disadvantage? Never had one fail in 15 years on 6 different cars and I have ripped struts and control arms and tie rods, and stub axles off but never a stud. Easier to re-use too compared to pressed in (and sometimes zapped too).

Why? Easy. Cheap. Easy. Reliable. Easy. More reusable. Easy. No welding. Easy. No press needed. Easy. Can carry spare in car and install on side of road. Easy.

Did I mention how much easier thread in studs are than press in studs? No drill, no press, no cracks, no welding, no disassembly of hubs, bearings, etc.

Easy

Got it?

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Huh? wha? All confused now..whatchoo suggestin' ? Screw in?
What advantage? why?

Screw in? Yes. Easy, cheap, easy

What advantage? What disadvantage? Never had one fail in 15 years on 6 different cars and I have ripped struts and control arms and tie rods, and stub axles off but never a stud. Easier to re-use too compared to pressed in (and sometimes zapped too).

Why? Easy. Cheap. Easy. Reliable. Easy. More reusable. Easy. No welding. Easy. No press needed. Easy. Can carry spare in car and install on side of road. Easy.

Did I mention how much easier thread in studs are than press in studs? No drill, no press, no cracks, no welding, no disassembly of hubs, bearings, etc.

Easy

Got it?

God has blessed you, my son.

I've watched the fiasco of loading a car up after screw in studs that went in easy came out easy.. 1 DNF....certain horrifying death averted by 1/2"


I'll stick with "fairly easy"----and dead certain.
I like certainty, such a rare commodity.

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modernbeat
I've been using MSI studs, though their nuts are too big for some wheels.

http://msiracingproducts.com/products.html

Don't get them too long so they don't get damaged.

What do those M14 thangs cost?

Well, they are sort of expensive. More expensive than ARP. I think they retail for $7-9 per stud. Of course I don't think anyone pays retail.

But if you want to economize, I use these that we have made and sell for $3 each.

http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=120_255&products_id=472

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Jason McDaniel

I use the same studs Josh does and have never had them break. Locktite red on the inner thread. Since I always carry spare hubs with studs in them already it may be kind of silly not to use the press-in style, but since the screw-in ones work and they're easy I've just kept using them.

They really only are for cars that originally had lug bolts. I certainly wouldn't convert a press-in to a screw-in.

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Aaron Luptak
Also found while doing some digging...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/651028-quick-start-wheel-stud.html

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Especially with the bullet end, you are adding rotating, unsprung weight.

That shit makes any of the pointless wanking that goes on here look like amateur hour.

You're also talking about cars with magnesium lug nuts.

For the lightning round, how much do the bullet tips weigh, and how much does the air in the tire weigh? Extra troll credit for pointing out that the air in the tire is at a much larger radius.

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Cleveland, Ohio

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john vanlandingham
I'll stick with "fairly easy"----and dead certain.
I like certainty, such a rare commodity.

I do not agree with everything John has to say - BUT if it is a "Technical Question", I am 95%+ certain that John has the right of it.

I cannot think of but one time when I did not land on "John's side" of the Technical Part of any of the debates I have witnessed here in the last couple of years. (since even before I quit lurking)

It is sound advice you give John, if a bit cryptic at times.

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Aaron Luptak
Also found while doing some digging...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/651028-quick-start-wheel-stud.html

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Especially with the bullet end, you are adding rotating, unsprung weight.

That shit makes any of the pointless wanking that goes on here look like amateur hour.

You're also talking about cars with magnesium lug nuts.

For the lightning round, how much do the bullet tips weigh, and how much does the air in the tire weigh? Extra troll credit for pointing out that the air in the tire is at a much larger radius.

It would depend on the pressure and volume of the tire

A better question, has the driver recently taken a shit, piss, or eaten anything? The weight from that, though. Man. Better change to a smaller person.

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

I'm trying to work up a line of logic that would make it seem that it would be most beneficial to run with the tires flat. Less unsprung, rotating mass you know.

At any rate, we've got another indicator of the difference between someone who actually has to work on things, and who just drives them (in real life or in Gran Turismo, whichever). Bullet nosed studs are the only way to go. GM puts them on damned near everything, M12 and M14, and I have a large collection of salvaged studs from failed hub assemblies. (Free is even cheaper than $1.39 a pop)

Hell, I bullet nose the input shaft on every transmission I acquire, just to make installation a throw-it-in affair instead of wasting minutes trying to get it lined up just right.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2014 09:34AM by Pete.

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Hell, I bullet nose the input shaft on every transmission I acquire, just to make installation a throw-it-in affair instead of wasting minutes trying to get it lined up just right.

It is why I got a circumcision as well....

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