I figured since there is always talk of poorly done roll cages, I'd post some pictures... This is one of two cages that have been done locally in recent years that is a complete cut out and redo. Two friends have also cut out and redone door bars recently as well. Sadly no pics of the others.

Full album:
http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/05Stibuild/media/IMG_1330.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19

Teaser:

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Grant Hughes

Nice!
A good that people know where NOT to take their car, that's good advice if there ever was some.

Oh wait.....................



Oooops.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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This shop doesn't try to do roll cages anymore. They stick to building engines and selling schwag. Flat Four is name though if that is what you are asking. It's on like every picture if you go to the album too.

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Grant Hughes

But think of all the money they saved on shielding gas.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

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This shop doesn't try to do roll cages anymore. They stick to building engines and selling schwag. Flat Four is name though if that is what you are asking. It's on like every picture if you go to the album too.

I did look at the album. But it does say something about their thinking, what they bite off, what they think about what they let go.
What sorta engine work they MIGHT decide is OK if they did this and left it and handed it back to the owner..
This is obviously horrible hatchet work and anybody can see it---and it made it out of the shop. What about what you can't see?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Engines, though, have a remarkable amount of margin of error. There's a whole lot of scary stuff that we've seen come out of some shops that managed to work acceptably well. Cylinders with deep vertical gouges and a finish like they were honed with a roofing shingle, rings with huge gaps, horrendous port work, and so on... and more often than not if it doesn't fail right off the bat, then it's not going to fail.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

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Cylinders with deep vertical gouges and a finish like they were honed with a roofing shingle

That is a horrifically beautiful image you've concocted.

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

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Engines, though, have a remarkable amount of margin of error. There's a whole lot of scary stuff that we've seen come out of some shops that managed to work acceptably well. Cylinders with deep vertical gouges and a finish like they were honed with a roofing shingle, rings with huge gaps, horrendous port work, and so on... and more often than not if it doesn't fail right off the bat, then it's not going to fail.

Heck, I have a Golf engine that had a timing failure. Crank pulley broke, resulting in a massive head crash. Big divots in two of the pistons. No time to swap the engine (Lemons race), but we had another head so just swapped that on. Chiseled the piston heads back to sorta flat. Put it back together and ran it for another 14 hours at that event, and then it still seemed fine so we did a whole 'nother Lemons on it.

Grant, were you the one to lower the boom on that car owner and tell him it was a redo? If so, good on ya. That always sucks, but someone's gotta do it.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

Yeah yeah we;ve all done field or emergency repairs in the heat of battle or the "sperm of the moment", that's one thing.
It's different when you are a business porporting to be skilled at and a specialist in some field..
That cage wasn't "in the heat of the moment"---yet it was handed back to a customer..
Sure engines can run despite a LOT of bad ju-ju. but that alleged welding shows savagery and arrogance.
wonder if they refunded him his money and time?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I'll throw this out here to keep track of it since it's paid dividends over the years for people looking to get a passable cage.

North American Rally Cage Builders Map

That one I did not have to bring the bad news. He knew right away and smothered local Subaru forums with it.
There was another Mike Hurst referred the owner to me to check out. It was sad as it wasn't horribly designed it just needed every weld redone and at that point, may as well cut it out. Same builder that tried to put a Subaru Customs Cage homologated cage into a Merkur and was pissed it wouldn't be legal. I felt bad, he's an old friend too, told him I'd try to help ease the pain (aka working for less) just to help get him out there. It's a cool car with a 3.3 H6 engine well done swap and all.

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Grant Hughes

Oh christ, here's on Jason posted on specialstage.

http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/

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Grant Hughes

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Oh christ, here's on Jason posted on specialstage.

http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/

That flesh-tone shade of paint gives it another dimention of horror.... I feel like I'm looking at a deformed living thing.

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Enablers, All of you.

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Oh christ, here's on Jason posted on specialstage.

http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/

Should post those come halloween - put is in the mood.

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Simon Wright
Owner/Driver USUK Racing - Home of the USUK Racing LED Light Bars!

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At what point are cages turned away? Is there anyone submitting welding samples?
I ask this because it seems that the expected fabrication level of rally cars has gotten insane. It's almost expected that you have a perfectly and beautifully welded cage (and the rest of the fab work).
Rally cages are some of the most over-built cage designs in racing, and that's a good thing. But I think there could be a lower level of accepted craftsmanship when it comes to cages (that are so seriously over-built that it's ridiculous). It seems like the expected craftsmanship costs 3x what the actually accepted level is. So in hopes of luring in new blood, wouldn't a significant reduction in build cost be a good thing?
Look at some of the cages in Europe. Bolt in cages are accepted ($2k from a manufacturer), and some pretty goober welded ones as well. What is the mortality rate of rally in Europe, or road racing for that matter. Most (all?) lower levels accept bolt in cages as well. In the US you can road race a bolt in cage. Why not rally one?
Just trying to think outside the norm today, staring at data all day will do that to you sometimes.

(Puts on flame suit and sits next to a drum of gasoline)