john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Super Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Just looked at Rally America's first "National" of the season.
Entry: Championship & Regional Rallies Entry prior to 15 Jan 08: $1650 $14.07 per scheduled stage mile. 16 Jan and later: $2,681 Two Thousand Six Hundred Eighty-one dollars 117.2 scheduled stage miles if Christain Edstrom doesn't decide to cheat yet again and display Red Cross whenever things aren't going his way. $22.875 per mile--again assuming no shenanigans from the anointed. Somewhere between $75,000 and $130,000 in income from 49 entries to date. Wonder what the split is? What is the limit of greed and cynicism ? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Doivi Clarkinen Banned Ultra Moderator Location: the end of the universe Join Date: 02/12/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,432 Rally Car: 1980 Opel Ascona B |
john vanlandingham Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Just looked at Rally America's first "National" of > the season. > Entry: Championship & Regional Rallies > > Entry prior to 15 Jan 08: > $1650 > $14.07 per scheduled stage mile. > > > > 16 Jan and later: > > $2,681 > Two Thousand Six Hundred Eighty-one dollars > > You're joking, right? Or is RA joking? How on earth did they get 49 entries? |
Carl S Carl Seidel Super Moderator Location: Fe Mtn, MI Join Date: 02/10/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 765 Rally Car: 1993 honderp |
I broke it down in a thread on ss. heres what I said:
Last year there was a total of 51 entries, 31 national, 16 regional, 4 dual entry. Which would result in about $53,714 from entry fees (using this years early entry pricing of $1134 for a national entry, $825 for 2 days of regional, and $1340 for dual entry) This year (so far) there are 48 entrants. 33 nationals, 12 regionals, 3 dual entries. Which is about $51,342. Not too far from my estimate on last year's entry fee money even though there are less regional entries and far less 2wd. I could probably think of a dozen regional guys that arnt entered for whatever reason. |
Anders Green Anders Green Super Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
john vanlandingham Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Just looked at Rally America's first "National" of the season. > Entry: Championship & Regional Rallies > > Entry prior to 15 Jan 08: > $1650 > $14.07 per scheduled stage mile. How many national competitors aren't using notes? Probably all are, right? So add $165 to that, don't forget, it seems to be some policy of RA events to never mention in their supps whether notes are available or not, how much they cost, and where to purchase them. So, $1815. 2007 Event supp regs that didn't even have the word "notes" in them: 100 Acre Wood LSPR SnoDrift Colorado 2007 events that did have the word "notes", but nary a mention of price or purchase method: MFR Ojibwe STPR 2007 events that had "notes", told you you could get them from RA, but didn't mention price: Olympus 2007 events that actually told you how much notes cost: Oregon Trails I wonder if OT will get in trouble... Anders ps: just had a thought: if a bunch of people are complaining that the cost of H&N equipment is so much that it would send them to multiple rallies, just make sure the entry fee is way higher than H&N equipment, that will fix the problem! Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2008 07:14AM by Anders Green. |
Anders Green Anders Green Super Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Oh, and while it looks at regional competitor entry, not national, here's some additional data on the topic:
http://sandblastrally.com/2008/fee-comparison.php Cheers, Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
david amor david amor Ultra Moderator Location: Stoney Creek Ontario Join Date: 03/22/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 458 |
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heymagic Banned Infallible Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
I can add a little insight for our specific area...RAs costs and NRS costs are very similar for both regional and National events. Our biggest expense is road use fees and repair. Other costs range from T-shirts for workers, awards and banquet afterwards, equipment fees, acommodations for key personel, route book fees, medical personel. You would be seriously surprised at how quick the bank accounts get depleted.
The individual organizers set the price based on estimated costs and estimated entries. Even with paying road fees it's near impossible to find roads. It is just easier for resource managers to say "no" than to take a chance on damage, lawsuit or bad feedback from the "eco-Nazis" For many years now it's been touch and go at the year-end banquet to get that paid for, and one NW organizer has dug several thousand out of his pocket to subsidize this. Yes costs are high, but comparing fees between events without knowing the actual costs is similar to comparing the cost of a Hyundai Accent to a Honda Civic. Is Honda making a ton more or does the car just cost more to make ? Problem with rally is the lack of income from a "gate" or admission, and not owning a local "track". If we could pool our resources and buy a 100 acres up near Tonasket where land is cheap we could really help our cause. Of course then we'd have the cost of the mortgage...so still no free ride. |
mothra Matt Smith Ultra Moderator Location: Wilmington NC Join Date: 03/31/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 546 Rally Car: xr4ti |
heymagic Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I can add a little insight for our specific > area...RAs costs and NRS costs are very similar > for both regional and National events. Our biggest > expense is road use fees and repair. Other costs > range from T-shirts for workers, awards and > banquet afterwards, equipment fees, acommodations > for key personel, route book fees, medical > personel. You would be seriously surprised at how > quick the bank accounts get depleted. > I dom't think that NASA has any east coast events that even approach the price structure quoted for SnoDrift. West Coast may be different. > > Problem with rally is the lack of income from a > "gate" or admission, and not owning a local > "track". If we could pool our resources and buy a > 100 acres up near Tonasket where land is cheap we > could really help our cause. Of course then we'd > have the cost of the mortgage...so still no free > ride. Sandblast charges a spectator fee and makes real money without having a gate. Matt Smith Racing in glorious black and red My daily life is a Saab story (sold!) |
dtompsett Doug Tompsett Junior Moderator Location: Ontarible, Canadiana Join Date: 06/21/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 125 Rally Car: '84 Scirocco Rally car... '88 90q project |
heymagic Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I can add a little insight for our specific > area...RAs costs and NRS costs are very similar > for both regional and National events. Our biggest > expense is road use fees and repair. Other costs...... Tell Subaru to pay for all this stuff. If they won't, then tell them to set up their own venues, get and pay for their own workers, and to bend over and kiss their own asses. Kurt Spitzner sold SCCA U.S. rally to the manufacturers for next to nothing back in 1999, and Rally America continues this trend to this day. Unbelievable! |
DR1665 Brian Driggs Godlike Moderator Location: Glendale Join Date: 06/08/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 832 Rally Car: Keyboard. Deal with it. |
That is insane. OMG.
In 2007, I'm pulling up supp regs for Prescott showing 100 stage miles for $600 (two day entry). God Bless the Prescott Rally team. Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero alterius non sit qui suus esse potest |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Professional Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
CHCA hill climb - $175 entry for 12-25 miles total over two days.
~$90 back if you start on day two. Additional $250-350 for 1st place, 150-250 for 2nd, and 50-150 for 3rd place. Not to mention the fun atmoshpere, camping available at service aka the pits, BBQing, two events in a gambling city so lots of fun for adults, and the big Saturday night parties! Grant Hughes |
john vanlandingham Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Just looked at Rally America's first "National" of > the season. > Entry: Championship & Regional Rallies > > Entry prior to 15 Jan 08: > $1650 > $14.07 per scheduled stage mile. In the spring of 1999 Kurt Spitzner told me via telephone that his plan was to raise the "ProRally" licensing fees into multiple thousands of dollars so he could weed out the non-factory and non-wealthy teams. I'm not making this up. That is exactly what he told me. His plan didn't happen with licensing plans, but it appears Rally America entry fees could accomplish the same goal with a little time (and a whole bunch of excuses). If the oil companies raised the price of gasoline from $1.20/gal to $3.20/gal in one year, what would happen? If they raised gasoline prices the same amount over a few years, what has happened? Nothing. Same thing with rally. |
Eddie Fiorelli Eddie Fiorelli Mega Moderator Location: Long Beach, CA Join Date: 11/20/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 243 Rally Car: mk2 VW GTI |
Here is the complete fee schedule for SnoDrift:
So you could get there for 1100* which is reasonable. So the question is, why the big mark up for later entries? If you want people to sign up early, this seems like the way to do it. *By reasonable I mean this much isn't uncommon... Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2008 02:28PM by Eddie Fiorelli. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Super Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Eddie Fiorelli Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Here is the complete fee schedule for SnoDrift: > > > > So you could get there for 1100* which is > reasonable. So the question is, why the big mark > up for later entries? If you want people to sign > up early, this seems like the way to do it. > > *By reasonable I mean this much isn't uncommon... > > > > > Edited 2 times. Last edit at Jan 7, 2008 by Eddie > Fiorelli. Whatever it is its 10 to 20 times what entries cost just a few years ago for this sort of milage John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |