Who makes up this shit?

Jens Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> > Just looked at Rally America's first
> "National" of
> > the season.
> > Entry: Championship & Regional Rallies
> >
> > Entry prior to 15 Jan 08:
> > $1650
> > $14.07 per scheduled stage mile.
>
>
>
> In the spring of 1999 Kurt Spitzner told me via
> telephone
> that his plan was to raise the "ProRally"
> licensing fees
> into multiple thousands of dollars so he could
> weed out
> the non-factory and non-wealthy teams.
>
> I'm not making this up. That is exactly what he
> told me.
>
> His plan didn't happen with licensing plans, but
> it appears
> Rally America entry fees could accomplish the same
> goal
> with a little time (and a whole bunch of
> excuses).
>
> If the oil companies raised the price of gasoline
> from
> $1.20/gal to $3.20/gal in one year, what would
> happen?
> If they raised gasoline prices the same amount
> over a
> few years, what has happened? Nothing. Same
> thing with
> rally.
>
>

Jens,

Maybe you should try some Red Bull so you can wake up and pay attention. Rally America does not set entry fees. The organizer sets entry fees. Costs differ greatly across the US so does the entry fees. After 3 years of working with both RA and NASA the bottom line is nickles and dimes from each other. RA may actually be a tad cheaper on C1 events also.

As to late fees...when an organizer or group has to shell out huge road deposits, pay for route books or other expenses, they like to run on competitor money. Since we rarely make minimum wage when it's all over they offer an incentive to get the money in early. Personally some of the late fees seem chokingly high, but I'll bet they may be negotiable to some degree...NOTE : RALLY AMERICA DOES NOT SET LATE FEES EITHER !!

heymagic Wrote:
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> Rally America does not set entry fees.
> The organizer sets entry fees.


The organizers should be able to make their own rules
if they don't set the entry fees.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2008 03:03PM by Jens.

Jens Wrote:
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> heymagic Wrote:
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> > Rally America does not set entry fees.
> > The organizer sets entry fees.
>
>
> The organizers should be able to make their own
> rules
> if they don't set the entry fees.
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> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jan 7, 2008 by Jens.
Organizers can and do make up their own rules. It is called 'Supplementals'. NRS and RA both have limits on how much the rules can vary from event to event. But organizers are free to shift from one sanctioning body to another. At this time, I see at least 3.

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RichardM

Gene Wrote:
> RA may actually be a tad cheaper on C1 events also.

Yup, if you were going to do a closed-venue C1 with just a few cars, RA is (to my knowledge, I haven't had them quote me a price ) cheaper.

Cheers,
Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Richard Miller Wrote:
> Organizers can and do make up their own rules. It
> is called 'Supplementals'. NRS and RA both have
> limits on how much the rules can vary from event
> to event. But organizers are free to shift from
> one sanctioning body to another. At this time, I
> see at least 3.



Okay.... someone will secretly organize a rally.

Entry fee: None

Hartford Connecticut to Cleveland Ohio and back to Hartford. First car wins.

Only rules are: You have to figure out the date and time the rally begins. No drug dealer advertising (cigarettes, "energy drinks", etc).

Gumball?

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

The Navy Seals Midnight Rally Extravaganza. $100 entry fee.
Phoenix to Palm Springs. Choose your own route. No pavement allowed. Drivers must call in from a local phone at the start and end to verify total elapsed time. Should you be involved in an accident, the NSMRE will disavow any knowledge of your existence. Entry fee split between fastest AWD and 2WD car.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

Jens Wrote:
> Okay.... someone will secretly organize a rally.
> Hartford Connecticut to Cleveland Ohio and back to Hartford. First car wins.

Jens, that will never work, because who wants to end up in Hartford?


*grin*

Anders

(subtext to everyone else: yes, I know where Jens lives. I just don't know who's in Cleveland that he needs to do a drive-by on... )

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

fiasco Wrote:
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> Gumball?
>
> Andrew Steere, 1973
> Lyndeborough, NH
> KB1PJY

If it's Jens idea.. "oddball" may be more appropriate

Anders Green Wrote:
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> Jens Wrote:
> > Okay.... someone will secretly organize a
> rally.
> > Hartford Connecticut to Cleveland Ohio and
> back to Hartford. First car wins.
>
> Jens, that will never work, because who wants to
> end up in Hartford?


Good point. Phew.....


Hartford to MIAMI!!!

Anders Green Wrote:
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> Gene Wrote:
> > RA may actually be a tad cheaper on C1 events
> also.
>
> Yup, if you were going to do a closed-venue C1
> with just a few cars, RA is (to my knowledge, I
> haven't had them quote me a price ) cheaper.
>
> Cheers,
> Anders
>
> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0


But who really wants to do C1 events. To much travel for to few stage miles.

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Matt Smith

Racing in glorious black and red

My daily life is a Saab story (sold!)

Unless they're in your home town.
Cant beat $90 for 25 stage miles. I didnt even bring a service rig!



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mothra Wrote:

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> But who really wants to do C1 events. To much
> travel for to few stage miles.
>
Matt the mainstay of rally everywhere are NEARBY , short intense rallies for extremly low entrance fees.
Say 20 mile tow, 30 or 35 buck entry and maybe 25-35 SS miles
If'n you ever looked at a Swedish calender and saw all those 4-8 events per week most are MRY "mini-rally" or RS 'rally special'.

Of course its crazy if its 200 miles away and it cost 300 bucks for 25 miles SS

Hey Matt, I have a Supra LSD with your name on it that Ozgur says he can bring down (if I can git holt of the guy in Baltimore who is storing it). been meaning to do tthis so you save like 75 bucks on shipping.

Yousa innerested?
Well even if'n you aren't can you store it for maybe Frumby?
>
>
> Matt Smith
>
> Of course the car has graphics...
> We did them in satin black, flat black, and gloss
> black

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

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mothra Wrote:
> But who really wants to do C1 events. To much
> travel for to few stage miles.
>

*raises hand*

One of the things that makes stage rally impractical is having to basically take a week vacation for each one. Something where I could load up and drive out on Friday after work, run Saturday (day or night, whichever) and get back to the grind on Monday, would be awesome.

It doesn't exist *currently*.

I don't have the gear yet, but *mark my words*, if there were C1 events in a reasonable radius, I'd work them until I became a competitor. I have friends here who'd do it, too, if they couldn't snag rides themselves.

(The safety thing is a non issue... I gotta have that stuff for some pavement crap going on this summer. Rally'd be a good enough excuse to get my money's worth from it all!)

PS - Now I'm worried about drive-bys from Priuses. (Hey, I'm *on* the E85 bandwagon)

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

$90 for 25 stage miles locally? That's a slam dunk baby - as a matter of fact TOR will be quite more than $ than that, its only a 2.5hr tow, probably not more than 40 stage miles.

But yeah, that will be the only RA event I'll be doing in the forseable future.