Jonathan Rallyboy, come here and discuss honestly this business of Truck vs CAR
Posted by john vanlandingham
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Over on SS.COM there's a bunch of what i think is extremely misplaced cheerleading and encouragement for one of our Brothers to build what I have seen often enough to be a real lost cause: a Pick up.
Now since I am driven to say the least about RETENTION of folks in this sport and have seen so many people spend lots of money and time on projects I know will not live up to their dreams and then sell off the stuff and drop out after 1-2 seasons and DISAPPEAR, I try hard to make sure that people end up in cars they CAN STICK WITH and GROW WITH. So Jonathon, since I am exiled to Siberia by the HARDLINERS at SS.com I can't try and talk reason to you there, so I'll start this thread and ask you pop in here. (Which after all was founded with the exact same sentiments as I understand your new forum was.) So let's start. You said your thinking of building something like your link: 
You think you can go down rally roads with something like that as quickly and have as much fun as with a normal sedan??? Really??? Mark Bowers says that a truck is cheaper. But we have guys other than me saying important sheet in a thread like this which is my point: How is building a truck cheaper than building a Volvo 240? They both need cages.. which will cost you roughly the same. Sure you need to do some mods to the volvo.. but nothing crazy.. the T5 swap is like falling off a log and you don't need to do that right away. The suspension solutions are already out there. And there's no way I'll accept that any production truck is better suited to rally than a 240. I've driven trucks since I could drive and maybe you could make them behave better with lighter springs.. but generally speaking they handle like pigs.. And Lee, you don't have to be good at all to notice the difference between a noodley body on frame to a decent unibody. That being said I haven't driven a truck with a cage.. which should stiffen them A LOT. In fact, you could lighten the frame considerably to the point where you could design a whole new frame.. but wait, you're now into massive amounts of fabrication/modification. That being said Mark has a good point with the better being the enemy of good enough. I honestly think that if Volvo didn't have such a shitty image over here there'd be 10x as many racing.. but then they might not be so cheap. Edit: I can't believe I didn't say my favourite saying.. a Volvo 240 or earlier is a unibody truck with coil springs in the rear. Honestly, other than that, whats the fucking difference (okay 240s have struts). You can choose if that's arguing one way or the other smiling smiley haha Andrew McNally Hamilton ON 28 So should we tally the supposed costs involed or just look at the photo. To my mind the photo alone should close the discussion but somehow people are saying "Ja Shore ya betcha, no problem" so somehow I guess I am not unsderstanding something somewhere. What is this fixation with truck which are faily guaranteed to flip over at sillily low speeds---and that I have seen often enough in the woods here in Washington. Now remember Jonathon, we are not in anyway imaginable discussing YOU or you worth as a person or your intrinsic value as a human being, the subject is truck cost and effectiveness and FUN over a period of years vs an ordinary unibody CAR. So please don't plead something about our manners or the tone here. There is nowhere more concerned with helping people have more fun with less than right here. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Well, back to the Toyota...
I used to have an 88 4Runner. Stripper model. 22RE, 5 speed, manual hubs. Zero to 60 in 17 seconds. Gutless. Narrow track and high center of gravity, so it was a bit tippy if you tried to drive it like a car. That didn't stop me from trying. I faded out the brakes on it trying to keep up with a WRX on one occasion in north central Pennsylvania a few years ago. With a diesel engine and bodywork that didn't rust if you looked at it wrong, it could make a decent service rig for a regional rally competitor. But to actually run it down stages at speed? Just to be silly, maybe somebody can build one of these for the stages: Andrew Steere Lyndeborough, NH KB1PJY |
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fiasco Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Well, back to the Toyota... > > I used to have an 88 4Runner. Stripper model. > 22RE, 5 speed, manual hubs. Zero to 60 in 17 > seconds. Gutless. > > Narrow track and high center of gravity, so it was > a bit tippy if you tried to drive it like a car. > That didn't stop me from trying. I faded out the > brakes on it trying to keep up with a WRX on one > occasion in north central Pennsylvania a few years > ago. But you're a feeeeeelthy Lib'ral Communist and should be exiled to Siberia, then you'd be a hero. See link on Rallyboy forum from the crazy guy in the far North, he has links to roads for 4 runner. http://rallyboy.proboards54.com/index.cgi > > With a diesel engine and bodywork that didn't rust > if you looked at it wrong, it could make a decent > service rig for a regional rally competitor. But > to actually run it down stages at speed? How do you splain Bill Holmes results? > > Just to be silly, maybe somebody can build one of > these for the stages: What's this shit! A fawkin Blue Spreza "Sproutwagon"? Spreza "Sproutwagen"?? We dun got no Sprezas We dun nid no stinkink Eampreza! > > Andrew Steere, 1973 > Lyndeborough, NH > KB1PJY John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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hudson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Yes the roads matter. Has anyone tried adding > some serious ground clearance to their car and > seeing how it performed on roads that are truck > favorable? > > What are we calling a truck here? Trophy trucks > are tubular framed rwd vehicles... that happen to > have something that looks like a truck body. > > They could be called Trophy Station Wagons just as > easily.. although that lacks something. > > > > > Andrew McNally > Hamilton ON > 28 Andrew, I am with you one hunnert prrcent. TT's are tube framed PURPOSE BUILT vehicles that passingly resemble a truck. For their intended environment they are truly awesome, but on relatively narrow rally stage, I don't wanna be the guy hustling 500 hp down one. Back to the point of the thread, For all the right reasons, my first build will be a Volvo 240. Gp2 at first, but eventually Gp5. Had a XR4ti been available to me for a relatively low cost, that would would have weighed into my decision. I see the light, I'm applying to become a member of the choir. 
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