SteelSolutions William Timmins Professional Moderator Location: Redmond WA Join Date: 02/26/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 648 Rally Car: 3 xr4ti/74 capri/02 bug eye |
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Well dose that help on why not well i do know you would set up for rally but the suspension needs massive over haul and remounting to remove torsion bars coil buckets and the crapy steering there mostly pitman's there night mares. With the car too you have one solid shell. Im not disisng trucks iv bin to the baja 500 2 times and 250, in mexico where they can do 140 striate shot and hit boulders and all with 30 inches of travl. I think its just costly your running a solid axel that need tons of work for 4 link of fab a indie just dose not seem to be a good bang for the buck. but if you wana jump it get a pu i want to build a prerunner someday. On the other hand toyota built a rally pu and alot of trucks go for the pikes peek but i think this might be out of the price range http://www.aria-group.com/pages/casesix.2.html TSSFAB.US No HYPE just parts!!!! And check us out on Facebook!!! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2008 08:32PM by SteelSolutions. |
rallyboy Jonathan Taylor Senior Moderator Location: Cary, NC Join Date: 10/24/2007 Posts: 15 Rally Car: in the process... |
The image was to show what the truck I'm buying pretty much will look like when we start on it. AS for the rallying aspect, the question was posed as an inquiry into what methods should one go by if a truck is what you want to run. It all began at my brother's 40th b-day party last weekend where we discussed building a truck together, as one of my nephews finished his ASE certification with Toyota last year, my sister in law used to build transmissions for a living up until last year, and my brother has built a nice shop behind his house, and has quite the truck rebuild business going on the side. Oscar wants me to use my Rabbit GTI as my first Rally Car, and another friend of mine wants to give me rally bits, extra engines/ transmissions, and such from his old Rabbit Rallying days. The truck wasn't as serious a build project for rallying, as it was an inquiry into building one. The truck will just allow me to go to events without worry of busting up my ride, while keeping the same gas mileage as my Rabbit. In addition I could use it to tow my Rabbit to Rally Cross', car shows, and as use as another daily driver. The idea of rallying it was and is an option, but of course I would drop the suspension, put weight over the back tires, and have a blast without concern of winning. Due to Bill and Bob's suggestions I haven't ruled out building the Rabbit first, then the truck the next season, and so forth and so on. For now I'm a father with three daughters, no mortgage, a great network of friends who I like to document over the web, and absolutely no extra money to put into building anything seriously. I just pose questions sometimes that I feel may be asked as rally becomes more popular here in the states.
-Jonathan I roll so deep in the grass that I touch roots... http://www.rallyboy.com |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Professional Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
hudson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Bill could have shortened a buick roadmaster wagon > body and put it on that frame. Then he would have > gotten second and third overalls in a 2 door buick > roadmaster!! > > Now that would have been something. That reminds me of RC Laton's Volvo-145-wagon-on-a-truck-chassis that he ran in the Baja 1000 awhile back. Self-righteous douche canoe |
darkknight9 Kirk Coughlin Infallible Moderator Location: Saint Paul, MN Join Date: 01/08/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 493 Rally Car: Dreaming of escorts and xrats |
Francois Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Oh and it's just not fun trying to drive fast in > such a big vehicle. > > Francois I respectfully and wholeheartedly beg to differ sir. Taking backroads sideways with a 17.5 ft long stationwagon with a big ole v8 in it was some of the most fun I've had behind the wheel. Kirk Coughlin Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. |
AaronJMcConnell AaronJMcConnell Mega Moderator Location: Evergreen Colorado Join Date: 04/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 76 Rally Car: Subaru Impreza |
Toyota trucks are an awesome investment! I've owned 4. They're cheap, simple, reliable, and can become serious off road rigs for very little coin. However, TOYOTA TRUCKS ARE NOT TOW VEHICLE AND THEY ARE NOT RALLY CARS!!! Get yourself an '85 extended cab with a 5 speed manual, 22RE, solid front axle and then order some lockers/5.29's/35"MTR's and do Wagoneer leafs, a Downey header with 2 1/4 exhaust, put in 2 transfer cases and get a MAACO paint job-you'll have a trail capable rig that can haul a moto and you'll look cooler than Marty ever did in BACK TO THE FUTURE. Enjoy your truck, do a little wheelin, ride dirt bikes, and forget the rally stuff until you can truly afford everything required in this sport-legitimate tow rig, trailer, rally car, insurance for all 3, diesel, race gas, entry fees, tires,..........................$.02
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CommanderSalamander Dave Shindle/Navitron 2000 Infallible Moderator Location: Virginia Join Date: 05/23/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 99 Rally Car: Someone has to call the notes |
Build it for sweep or course opening. No entry fees, less prep involved, helping event organizers, and you still get to play in the dirt.
I go offroading at the beach, at the mountains, tow, camp, may do Rally WVA sweep if I'm not codriving, ....I've done sweep at numerous other rallies, sometimes planned and sometimes after DNF early as a codriver, its fun. Get to see the carnage, hear the heartbreak stories, yank on rallycars, drag rallycars, see the stages and follow the rally on the via netcontrol. Better than sitting crammed packed in a spectator area. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2008 12:43AM by CommanderSalamander. |
hudson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > hoche Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So how do you explain Bill's second and > third > > overalls back in '88 and '89? Happy Trails > PRO > > Rally 1989, Olympia, WA. 2nd Overall. > > Chattahoochie Forest Rally 1988, Atlanta, GA. > 4th > > overall. STPR 1989, 3rd Overall. There're a > bunch > > of others he placed in the top in, but I'm > too > > lazy to post them. rallyracingnews.com. > > > > And we know it's all true cuz it's posted on > teh > > interwebs. > > I don't know the rallies.. but obviously they're > rough and he had a better suited vehicle. No, STPR and Chattahoochee are/were not rough rallies. STPR has a lot of ridge roads with some tigth tiwsity spots here and there, that tend to be fast with high speed handling being a key to doing well. Chattahoochee was very tight and twisty, on smooth Nat'l Forest roads for about 98% of the route, with steep 2000' climbs and decents filled with tight hairpins that would be 1+ or 2 in todays stage note parlance. We did well there in a light Opel. It's a comment on Bill's good preparation, inherent good vehicle HP Well with a v8 that is!), experience in the selection of suspension, etc, and his good driving ability that produces good results. It's much less about the vehicle, IMO. Regards, Mark B. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2008 10:33AM by starion887. |
starion887 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > No, STPR and Chattahoochee are/were not rough > rallies. STPR has a lot of ridge roads with some > tigth tiwsity spots here and there, that tend to > be fast with high speed handling being a key to > doing well. > > Chattahoochee was very tight and twisty, on smooth > Nat'l Forest roads for about 98% of the route, > with steep 2000' climbs and decents filled with > tight hairpins that would be 1+ or 2 in todays > stage note parlance. We did well there in a light > Opel. > > It's a comment on Bill's good preparation, > inherent good vehicle HP Well with a v8 that is!), > experience in the selection of suspension, etc, > and his good driving ability that produces good > results. It's much less about the vehicle, IMO. Mark, I agree. Talking to him on SS and it sounds like he could setup any vehicle and win. Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
SteelSolutions William Timmins Professional Moderator Location: Redmond WA Join Date: 02/26/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 648 Rally Car: 3 xr4ti/74 capri/02 bug eye |
turbocharged, intercooled, 280-hp. 4.3 liter V6. full-time all-wheel drive
That might do ok its hevy and leafs and tortions swap to links coils and has a full body i would imagin with a good drive would do good around hear but the same driver in a 240 or xr would still beat it with out any problem even with a 80 hp disadvantage. TSSFAB.US No HYPE just parts!!!! And check us out on Facebook!!! |
darkknight9 Kirk Coughlin Infallible Moderator Location: Saint Paul, MN Join Date: 01/08/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 493 Rally Car: Dreaming of escorts and xrats |
I have the some opinion of thrashing about a mid 80's to mid 90's f series truck with a manual and a 300 inline six that I do about building a rally escort. I can crunch all I want and there's bound to be parts everywhere I look. Cheeep cheep cheep fun!
Kirk Coughlin Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. |
rallyboy Jonathan Taylor Senior Moderator Location: Cary, NC Join Date: 10/24/2007 Posts: 15 Rally Car: in the process... |
SteelSolutions Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > turbocharged, intercooled, 280-hp. 4.3 liter V6. > full-time all-wheel drive > That might do ok its hevy and leafs and tortions > swap to links coils and has a full body i would > imagin with a good drive would do good around hear > but the same driver in a 240 or xr would still > beat it with out any problem even with a 80 hp > disadvantage. > Actually back in 93 or 94 there was a rallyed out Blazer that ran Sandblast! AS soon as I buy the DVD ripping program I'm usuing/ toying with I'll upload footage. It was awesome! I roll so deep in the grass that I touch roots... http://www.rallyboy.com |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
rallyboy Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > SteelSolutions Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > turbocharged, intercooled, 280-hp. 4.3 liter > V6. > > full-time all-wheel drive > > That might do ok its hevy and leafs and > tortions > > swap to links coils and has a full body i > would > > imagin with a good drive would do good around > hear > > but the same driver in a 240 or xr would > still > > beat it with out any problem even with a 80 > hp > > disadvantage. > > > > > Actually back in 93 or 94 there was a rallyed out > Blazer that ran Sandblast! AS soon as I buy the > DVD ripping program I'm usuing/ toying with I'll > upload footage. It was awesome! That all you want to say after all these people take the time to try and talk sense to you? > John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
rallyboy Jonathan Taylor Senior Moderator Location: Cary, NC Join Date: 10/24/2007 Posts: 15 Rally Car: in the process... |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
rallyboy Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > yep. > > I roll so deep in the grass that I touch > roots... > And you talk to people in Colorado about manners??!! because they didn't make the effort to come up and introduce themselves and shake hands?? That's the funny thing about manners, and conventions and the unspoken things that carry a message as well. My take on your behaviour is that you have just spat in a bunch of peoples faces. Its as if in the middle of a whole gang of guys trying to give you honest unfiltered advice, you can't even trouble yourself to even respond whit just a monosylable, you turn on you heels and walk away. Most of the world I know, that's considered extremely rude. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
SteelSolutions William Timmins Professional Moderator Location: Redmond WA Join Date: 02/26/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 648 Rally Car: 3 xr4ti/74 capri/02 bug eye |
Good point i would of liked to see the potential of a truck drawn out more and the real snags of say a toyota or ranger or what have you truthfully enough money and or skill could prabably put a truck out there that might do something if i was forced to rally a pickup i would get a 94 ranger single cab short enough, not 93 same body but they run i beam front and that's vary stout but no adjustment. and you would have to switch to a rack and pinion. for the back of the truck id move everything back i can and throw the bed away and get the desert glass run the cage threw the cab 4 link with a pan hard bar. Throw in a explorer 8.8 limited and disk breaks. A turbo for the 2.3 and a t5 i think you could do ok it would swing bad if you don't get some weight over the back, which the 8.8 would help because its heavy. But like what was sed earlier 240s and xr's have suspension solutions and you would have to do exstencive work to get anything close to the ether of those cars, in my case i can build all that stuff myself but to pay me to do it would take some ky. If you can build all the stuff yourself you might get a truck done for close to the same price with tons of one off work. There is people that build bed cages and cage kits for toyota and rangers for rangers i like http://www.camburg.com/cages.html and toyotas I like http://www.chaosfab.com/92100.html for suspension. You could do all the same with the toy 2wd but there's just little more in the pocket book if you want anything newer than the 80's. I might do a 3 link and build it just like a desert truck and just have two sets of suspension for rally and desert the rear drag links would be almost 4 feet long and custom front a arms that are mounted dead center and use f 150 knuckles and a j arm that mounts center where your radiator is spose to be, cool part you could save money on shocks because all you need is coilovers no housing. But the would thing would be trying to get it to as close to how a car is set up as stance and suspension might as well get a car. The only reason for me would be to build a dual purpose rally and slamming in the desert. Any other real input, hop i didn't wind bag it up just my thoughts because i have thought about it, coming from my love of the baja racing seen.
TSSFAB.US No HYPE just parts!!!! And check us out on Facebook!!! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2008 05:00AM by SteelSolutions. |