FRONT or REAR Wheeel Drive (or all!)

Well, the Getrag is a bit different than the MTX75. The drive train specs are:

DRIVETRAIN

Clutch:
Hydraulic actuation with dual-mass flywheel

Transaxle:
Getrag 6-speed manual, twin layshaft design

Gear:
Gear Ratio

1st: output shaft differential ratio overall ratio
4.44:1 1 2.88:1 12.7:1

2nd:
2.67:1 1 2.88:1 7.7:1

3rd:
1.33:1 2 4.25:1 5.7:1

4th:
1.08:1 2 4.25:1 4.6:1

5th:
1.33:1 1 2.88:1 3.1:1

6th:
1.08:1 1 2.88:1 3.1:1

Reverse:
2.82:1 2 4.25:1 12.0:1

Driveshafts:
High-strength, solid output shafts

Thanx all for the response. Been busy (part of my problem) so here's my 2 cents.

> Whats wrong with an XR or Volvo?

Too easy. I like a challenge. I'd rather do well despite my car, not because of it.

> Beware rust breeding cars...logbooks aren't issued if the shell won't warrant it.

I see rust as an opportunity to (expensively) make a car better. Just time and $.

> Despite the current resurgance in RWD philosophy, less than 20% of the RWD competitors were fast or exciting back in the day ( when that's all we had ). Burress, Bottles, Tennis, Stow... all very fast, exciting FWD local competitors.

Which day? Late 70's WRC cars. Almost all RWD. All exciting. Sounds like you're referring to our easy access to the pleasant U.S. variety of rally cars. Not what I'm into.

> Lou Beck has over a year in with his Focus, no suspension failures. Started on AGXs ( sketchy at best ) now on HotBits ( working well ). Great results at Olympus with a very stock engine.

Respect to Beck. He's out there. And I'm sure having fun. See John?

> Don't get stuck in an impossible, forever build. By the time you finish, entry fees will be thousands or roads won't be available.

That answers my question.

> Sube/DSM ...FWD,AWD,RWD..pick your poison. 110hp to 400 plus..easy as pie. Parts as close as the local spectator area ... RA is discussing a bulletin to allow this is G2/G5..even though they "hate" regional competitors

Subie = boring

> Mustang, RX7, 240SX, Volvo ( very plentiful in the NW ) all can be made to work with varying degrees of difficulty. Lots of good options to be had. I doubt Fiat is one of them.

Your doubt of the Fiat is common. As a great platform, with the correct mods, that 131 will kick ass and make everyone say "is that a 510?"

BeKwik Wrote:
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> Thanx all for the response. Been busy (part of my
> problem) so here's my 2 cents.
>
> > Whats wrong with an XR or Volvo?
>
> Too easy. I like a challenge. I'd rather do well
> despite my car, not because of it.
>
> > Beware rust breeding cars...logbooks aren't
> issued if the shell won't warrant it.
>
> I see rust as an opportunity to (expensively) make
> a car better. Just time and $.
>
> > Despite the current resurgance in RWD
> philosophy, less than 20% of the RWD competitors
> were fast or exciting back in the day ( when
> that's all we had ). Burress, Bottles, Tennis,
> Stow... all very fast, exciting FWD local
> competitors.
>
> Which day? Late 70's WRC cars. Almost all RWD. All
> exciting. Sounds like you're referring to our easy
> access to the pleasant U.S. variety of rally cars.
> Not what I'm into.
>
> > Lou Beck has over a year in with his Focus,
> no suspension failures. Started on AGXs ( sketchy
> at best ) now on HotBits ( working well ). Great
> results at Olympus with a very stock engine.
>
> Respect to Beck. He's out there. And I'm sure
> having fun. See John?
>
> > Don't get stuck in an impossible, forever
> build. By the time you finish, entry fees will be
> thousands or roads won't be available.
>
> That answers my question.
>
> > Sube/DSM ...FWD,AWD,RWD..pick your poison.
> 110hp to 400 plus..easy as pie. Parts as close as
> the local spectator area ... RA is discussing a
> bulletin to allow this is G2/G5..even though they
> "hate" regional competitors
>
> Subie = boring
>
> > Mustang, RX7, 240SX, Volvo ( very plentiful
> in the NW ) all can be made to work with varying
> degrees of difficulty. Lots of good options to be
> had. I doubt Fiat is one of them.
>
> Your doubt of the Fiat is common. As a great
> platform, with the correct mods, that 131 will
> kick ass and make everyone say "is that a 510?"

It's not that I doubt Fiat...I used to sell Fiats new in the 70's. Their engines are a thing of beauty. Very durable, good power. The bigger issue is the rusting and lack of support in the PNW. Not too many 128s or 131s just sitting around. I'm not sure how the windshield market is. No new windshields available for Audi GTs and some Dodge Colts and so on. West coast was great for Japanese imports, east coast for Euro trash. The rusting issue was greatly increased on the east coast due to winter conditions. I'd love to see a 131 on stage again. There is a rally prepped one still floating around here. Can't remember the owner's name. He does show up at some events.

Good luck with your idea and build, just watch the rust issue. If there is anything I can help with please feel free to ask.

And oddly enough, I had several old timers ask if my Datsun 210 was a Fiat, kind of a compliment.

Gene McCullough
RA western tech supervisor

Gene,
he has Holzinger's (from Spanaway) old 131 from back in the 80s.
He also has a spare shell.

And has me looking for a nice head for his bottom end.

And yeah windsheilds better be around or.....

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Gene,
> he has Holzinger's (from Spanaway) old 131 from
> back in the 80s.
> He also has a spare shell.
>
> And has me looking for a nice head for his bottom
> end.
>
> And yeah windsheilds better be around or.....
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

The windshield thing sucks. I heard the rumors after I bought the 1987 Audi GT. Actually Victor Bartosek clued me in to this. Doesn't seem like a 1987 anything should be considerd obsolete. No windshield though. Had one ordered out of Cali, never actually showed.
I was lucky to find a spare shell with a great glass for $200.

Is this the 131 with the crest on the hood ?

heymagic Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gene,
> > he has Holzinger's (from Spanaway) old 131
> from
> > back in the 80s.
> > He also has a spare shell.
> >
> > And has me looking for a nice head for his
> bottom
> > end.
> >
> > And yeah windsheilds better be around
> or.....
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
> The windshield thing sucks. I heard the rumors
> after I bought the 1987 Audi GT. Actually Victor
> Bartosek clued me in to this. Doesn't seem like a
> 1987 anything should be considerd obsolete. No
> windshield though. Had one ordered out of Cali,
> never actually showed.
> I was lucky to find a spare shell with a great
> glass for $200.
>
> Is this the 131 with the crest on the hood ?
>

Crest on hood? Dunno. It's white with the three tones of blue (dark blue, Krylon True Blue and Rustoleum Sky Blue) making three bands coming to a point.

Course there were HOW MANY gawddam cars white with the three tone blue thang??

Even my old 96 was "not red" for 3-4 years.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

GRMPer Wrote:
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> Or you could be a nutjob like me, rebuild a 30
> year old FWD Saab. Worst of both worlds :-)
>
>
> Per


That's nothing. You've got a late model compared to the car we're building. Try a 45 year old FWD SAAB. It's almost pathetic. We should have built a Model A instead. Can you get gravel tires for a 19x3 rim?

http://saabrally.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=829

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Jason McDaniel

Is there gonna be rallymoto at Rally Paris? I thought it was an RA event...

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

turoc Wrote:
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> Is there gonna be rallymoto at Rally Paris? I
> thought it was an RA event...

Probably not. And Rally America has nothing to do with it. If we decided we could make RallyMoto work and wanted to do it, we would call John Shirley. Or the AMA. But RallyMoto requires the motorcycles run first, then a safety car and then the rally cars. Because we use the same roads many times in a row, this increases the time to complete one stage beyond that feasible.

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RichardM

Damn, it was a joke!

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

Jokes are not allowed in serious rally discussions.

Seriously though, we did consider RallyMoto and decided it doesn't work in our schedule. And a low car turnout will not cancel Rallye de Paris since we have a sponsor. That sponsor is my retirement fund but the rally will happen.

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RichardM

heymagic Wrote:


> Bartosek clued me in to this. Doesn't seem like a
> 1987 anything should be considerd obsolete.

A lot of 1997 things are being obsoleted.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Last year I had a 1998 Saturn in the shop with a badly corroded fuse box...mouse pee. I found out they were obsolete from GM.

I think they weigh the potential future sales profit against the cost of inventory money and cost of inventory space and tracking. We lose .

The way Ford does it, they keep ratcheting the price of old stock upwards until nobody buys it anymore. Then, they claim that there's no demand for it and they scrap remaining inventory and obsolete the part number.

(favorite example: $200 water tube for a 4.9l truck engine. It's a 4' piece of 1/4" tube with a fitting on one end)

It costs money (taxes, shelf space) to have old stuff in stock. My guess is, by cranking the prices up first to artificially reduce demand, they also get to take a nice writeoff when they have to get rid of three dozen "$200" $4 tubes, or whatever.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Pete Wrote:
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> The way Ford does it, they keep ratcheting the
> price of old stock upwards until nobody buys it
> anymore. Then, they claim that there's no demand
> for it and they scrap remaining inventory and
> obsolete the part number.
>
> (favorite example: $200 water tube for a 4.9l
> truck engine. It's a 4' piece of 1/4" tube with a
> fitting on one end)
>
> It costs money (taxes, shelf space) to have old
> stuff in stock. My guess is, by cranking the
> prices up first to artificially reduce demand,
> they also get to take a nice writeoff when they
> have to get rid of three dozen "$200" $4 tubes, or
> whatever.

That's quite possible. Not to mention there isn't any real incentive for a car company to assist the masses maintain a large fleet of 10+ year old cars they made. Aside from the few "classics" each car company has that enthusiasts will maintain regardless, they want you to get tired of your car.. any excuse will work as long as you're happy enough to buy another from the same brand.

The last companies that tried to make a simple car that would last and not change it drastically every few years nearly went bankrupt doing it. Here in Ontario there are only two makes and a few models that you regularly see 15+ years old with no signs of rust what so ever... and they all score roughly -10 on the sex appeal scale.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish