cablerhodes Cable Rhodes Infallible Moderator Location: Boise, ID Join Date: 01/26/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 43 Rally Car: Mazda RX-7 Turbo |
Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd call you a blaspheme as well.
Cable Rhodes Boise, Idaho '87 Mazda RX-7 Turbo Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2008 07:39PM by cablerhodes. |
Cosworth Paulinho Ferreira Senior Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
cablerhodes Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should > be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd > call you a blaspheme as well. > > > > Cable Rhodes > Boise, Idaho > '87 Mazda RX-7 Turbo > Behave yo self son... some people just want more power than what those ratle cans can make thats all. The RX7 is a nice car, but with an LS1 is even better. |
Pete Pete Remner Mega Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
cablerhodes Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should > be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd > call you a blaspheme as well. > One of my friends has a stroked and poked SB2.2 in an FC. On pump gas it puts out power in the 600hp+ range, and the engine is still understressed. The biggest problem, I understand, is keeping rubber under the poor thing. He built a 3800 powered FC as a daily driver/trackday learner. All the power of a series 5 Turbo II with all of the turn-the-key-and-forget-it ignorability of a Regal. edit: Found an e-zine news article on it/them/him: http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2008/11/qftw-oz-gave-this-tinmans-rx-7-a-nascar-heart/ Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2008 08:45PM by Pete. |
cablerhodes Cable Rhodes Infallible Moderator Location: Boise, ID Join Date: 01/26/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 43 Rally Car: Mazda RX-7 Turbo |
Why not buy a Corvette. A car designed to be 50/50 neither wanted/needed a heavy v8 that a 20b could replace and supply the same power/dollar. Now I would love to have an LS-1 for my '70 blazer, yet it was MEANT to have an LS-1. BTW, no offense intended, only replying to Jens' post. He likes to get a rise out'a folks. But I'd rather spend the money on a 20B and keep it fun.
Cable Rhodes Boise, Idaho '87 Mazda RX-7 Turbo Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2008 08:48PM by cablerhodes. |
heymagic Banned Senior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
You can small block a 7 or a Z car and get 300 easy hp that'll get 25 mpg or you build the whiz out of a 13b or 280 that gets 1/2 that. My 13B P-Port used to get about 5mpg on stage and 10mpg on transits. I think small block Chevys are meant to go in anything.
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Pete Pete Remner Mega Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
Corvettes are big and heavy and no fun to drive unless you have more hair on your chest than your head.
None of my RX-7s were 50/50. They were always 100lb heavier in the nose, even with the 12A and the beehive oil cooler that shoved some weight aft. If you're concerned about weight, a 20B is the last engine you should consider. (And think about how much weight is SAVED when you don't need an intercooler, or an oil cooler the size of a Honda radiator) Having just recently completed a mild 455 swap into a Cutlass that ran just a bit over $30k, it's not always about power/dollar, either. Although, if I looked at it from a HP per dollar standpoint, I'd have done a V6 swap a long time ago My last engine cost me a whole lot more than a good used 4.3 GM truck engine would have, even before figuring the new internals, and it makes the same amount of power assuming that I get to rev it that high. I do have a 2.3 Turbo/T5 arrangement sitting in the garage, waiting for a cheap BMW 325 or M-B 190E to house it. However, I did three engine swaps last year in my RX-7, from the 12A that Mazda gave it, to a 6-port 13B that lasted about a month, to a peripheral port 12A that developed bearing problems and just plain sucked to live with (but made really awesome sounds), and now the big street ported high compression 13B un-Turbo that is pleasant on the street but doesn't do much until the tach goes north of 6k. If *this* engine dies before I find my German econobox, the 2.3 *will* go into the Mazda. Torque and drivability and granite anvil reliability would be nice to have all in one package. Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. |
cablerhodes Cable Rhodes Infallible Moderator Location: Boise, ID Join Date: 01/26/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 43 Rally Car: Mazda RX-7 Turbo |
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cablerhodes Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Why not buy a Corvette. Yuk! > neither wanted/needed a heavy v8 that a 20b could > replace and supply the same power/dollar. From the time I saw a picture of a 2nd gen (1986 issue of Car and Driver or some magazine) I thought stuffing a V8 in it would be fun. 14 years later I discovered it was fun. It still is fun. > BTW, no offense > intended, only replying to Jens' post. Offended? Nah,... I don't care if you like me and my RX-7 V8 or not. If I ever sell it I'll know not to offer it to you. BTW: why would I want some POS Corvette or mommymobile Subaru? I'd much rather have a 911, or a 934, and if I win one of those super duper lotteries I'll buy a 917. |
Lurch Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > > I think their going the other way on bikes. The > first rallymoto event was won with an XR600 with > CR500 USD forks and a very healthy desert racing > engine. Now they want to keep it more production > oriented. > I don't read the rules these days, so I'm not up on what's going on. Maybe they have a good reason for keeping it more production? Maybe not? Either way it sure is more interesting than reading about or watching some stupid Subaru stunt driving in stadiums. That's just my opinion. No one has to agree with me. |
Pete Pete Remner Mega Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
There are three or four BMW 3-series and 5-series locally for under $1000. This is significantly cheaper than an RX-7 in similar condition...
However, I want an E30 and these are all E36 for the 3-series. The E28 528 is tempting me, but I honestly just don't want a car that large. One of my M-B racing friends says he can find sub-$1k 190Es all day long. I have standing orders with him but they tend to die of rot, not engine or trans failures. Unlike BMWs. Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. |
Ted Andkilde Ted Andkilde Super Moderator Location: Windsor, ON, Canada Join Date: 04/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 329 Rally Car: 1968 Mini |
Hmmn, so if you build a bastard child and get a NASA logbook, how do you stand with the other sanctioning bodies?
Can you run RA and CARS events for no points? Or do the stewards have a coniption and send you packing? t Pure mathematics is the enemy of every truly creative man -- Sir Alec |
krisdahl Kris Dahl Super Moderator Location: Issaquah, WA Join Date: 02/13/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 282 Rally Car: Integra, Civic |
I've always wanted to do a motorcycle powered rally car (small one, perhaps tandem seating if can figure out a legal roll cage).
Problems are reverse and the fact that sequential gearboxes aren't allowed last time I checked. A Honda powered (especially K series) VW would be hard to beat. They are lighter than the Hondas, better rally suspension. |
Tom B Tom B Infallible Moderator Location: Douche Canoe, WA Join Date: 02/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 780 Rally Car: VW Golf |
sequential is ok, just has to remain manual gearchange (no paddles).
I would LOVE an ultra lightweight rally car with a busa powerplant....would sound awesome and Haul complete ass!!! -Tom DemonRallyTeam | Fine Tuning | CTS Turbo & RP Turbos | RalleyTuned | JRM | Meister Autowerks Spitfire EFI | Product Apparel | JVAB Imports | NLS | AP Tuning | USRT Add us on Facebook | Next Event: 2013 Olympus Rally June 22-23 Olympia, WA |
heymagic Banned Senior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Ted Andkilde Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmn, so if you build a bastard child and get a > NASA logbook, how do you stand with the other > sanctioning bodies? > > Can you run RA and CARS events for no points? Or > do the stewards have a coniption and send you > packing? > > t > > Pure mathematics is the enemy of every truly > creative man -- Sir Alec RA allows "bastard" cars to run as exhibition only, no points scored. We can score them locally in our regional championship however. |
Tom B Tom B Infallible Moderator Location: Douche Canoe, WA Join Date: 02/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 780 Rally Car: VW Golf |
hmmm....this is all too motivating to finish the Golf.....must stop following threads on new rules.
-Tom DemonRallyTeam | Fine Tuning | CTS Turbo & RP Turbos | RalleyTuned | JRM | Meister Autowerks Spitfire EFI | Product Apparel | JVAB Imports | NLS | AP Tuning | USRT Add us on Facebook | Next Event: 2013 Olympus Rally June 22-23 Olympia, WA |