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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 07:36PM
Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd call you a blaspheme as well.





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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 07:55PM
cablerhodes Wrote:
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> Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should
> be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd
> call you a blaspheme as well.
>
>
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> Cable Rhodes
> Boise, Idaho
> '87 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
>

Behave yo self son... some people just want more power than what those ratle cans can make thats all.

The RX7 is a nice car, but with an LS1 is even better.
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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 08:43PM
cablerhodes Wrote:
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> Anyone putting a v-8 in an RX-7 could and should
> be considered a douche. If I believed in God I'd
> call you a blaspheme as well.
>

One of my friends has a stroked and poked SB2.2 in an FC. On pump gas it puts out power in the 600hp+ range, and the engine is still understressed.

The biggest problem, I understand, is keeping rubber under the poor thing. He built a 3800 powered FC as a daily driver/trackday learner. All the power of a series 5 Turbo II with all of the turn-the-key-and-forget-it ignorability of a Regal.

edit: Found an e-zine news article on it/them/him: http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2008/11/qftw-oz-gave-this-tinmans-rx-7-a-nascar-heart/



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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 08:44PM
Why not buy a Corvette. A car designed to be 50/50 neither wanted/needed a heavy v8 that a 20b could replace and supply the same power/dollar. Now I would love to have an LS-1 for my '70 blazer, yet it was MEANT to have an LS-1. BTW, no offense intended, only replying to Jens' post. He likes to get a rise out'a folks. But I'd rather spend the money on a 20B and keep it fun.



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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 08:57PM
You can small block a 7 or a Z car and get 300 easy hp that'll get 25 mpg or you build the whiz out of a 13b or 280 that gets 1/2 that. My 13B P-Port used to get about 5mpg on stage and 10mpg on transits. I think small block Chevys are meant to go in anything.
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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 08:58PM
Corvettes are big and heavy and no fun to drive unless you have more hair on your chest than your head.

None of my RX-7s were 50/50. They were always 100lb heavier in the nose, even with the 12A and the beehive oil cooler that shoved some weight aft. If you're concerned about weight, a 20B is the last engine you should consider. (And think about how much weight is SAVED when you don't need an intercooler, or an oil cooler the size of a Honda radiator)

Having just recently completed a mild 455 swap into a Cutlass that ran just a bit over $30k, it's not always about power/dollar, either. Although, if I looked at it from a HP per dollar standpoint, I'd have done a V6 swap a long time ago sad smiley My last engine cost me a whole lot more than a good used 4.3 GM truck engine would have, even before figuring the new internals, and it makes the same amount of power assuming that I get to rev it that high.

I do have a 2.3 Turbo/T5 arrangement sitting in the garage, waiting for a cheap BMW 325 or M-B 190E to house it. However, I did three engine swaps last year in my RX-7, from the 12A that Mazda gave it, to a 6-port 13B that lasted about a month, to a peripheral port 12A that developed bearing problems and just plain sucked to live with (but made really awesome sounds), and now the big street ported high compression 13B un-Turbo that is pleasant on the street but doesn't do much until the tach goes north of 6k. If *this* engine dies before I find my German econobox, the 2.3 *will* go into the Mazda. Torque and drivability and granite anvil reliability would be nice to have all in one package.







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Re: NASA rule changes
November 13, 2008 09:37PM
You're looking for a "cheap" BMW and complaining about rx-7's? I give up! You're not right in the head.



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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 08:29AM
cablerhodes Wrote:
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> Why not buy a Corvette.

Yuk!


> neither wanted/needed a heavy v8 that a 20b could
> replace and supply the same power/dollar.

From the time I saw a picture of a 2nd gen
(1986 issue of Car and Driver or some magazine)
I thought stuffing a V8 in it would be fun.
14 years later I discovered it was fun. It still
is fun.



> BTW, no offense
> intended, only replying to Jens' post.


Offended? Nah,... I don't care if you like me and
my RX-7 V8 or not.
If I ever sell it I'll know not to offer it to you.


BTW: why would I want some POS Corvette or mommymobile Subaru?
I'd much rather have a 911, or a 934, and if I win one of those
super duper lotteries I'll buy a 917.



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Re: RX-7 V8
November 14, 2008 08:32AM
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> I think their going the other way on bikes. The
> first rallymoto event was won with an XR600 with
> CR500 USD forks and a very healthy desert racing
> engine. Now they want to keep it more production
> oriented.
>


I don't read the rules these days, so I'm not up on
what's going on. Maybe they have a good reason for
keeping it more production? Maybe not?

Either way it sure is more interesting than reading
about or watching some stupid Subaru stunt driving
in stadiums.

That's just my opinion. No one has to agree with me.


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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 11:55AM
There are three or four BMW 3-series and 5-series locally for under $1000. This is significantly cheaper than an RX-7 in similar condition...

However, I want an E30 and these are all E36 for the 3-series. The E28 528 is tempting me, but I honestly just don't want a car that large.

One of my M-B racing friends says he can find sub-$1k 190Es all day long. I have standing orders with him smiling smiley but they tend to die of rot, not engine or trans failures. Unlike BMWs.






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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 01:33PM
Hmmn, so if you build a bastard child and get a NASA logbook, how do you stand with the other sanctioning bodies?

Can you run RA and CARS events for no points? Or do the stewards have a coniption and send you packing?

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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 09:17PM
I've always wanted to do a motorcycle powered rally car (small one, perhaps tandem seating if can figure out a legal roll cage).

Problems are reverse and the fact that sequential gearboxes aren't allowed last time I checked.

A Honda powered (especially K series) VW would be hard to beat. They are lighter than the Hondas, better rally suspension.
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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 09:43PM
sequential is ok, just has to remain manual gearchange (no paddles).

I would LOVE an ultra lightweight rally car with a busa powerplant....would sound awesome and Haul complete ass!!!



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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 09:43PM
Ted Andkilde Wrote:
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> Hmmn, so if you build a bastard child and get a
> NASA logbook, how do you stand with the other
> sanctioning bodies?
>
> Can you run RA and CARS events for no points? Or
> do the stewards have a coniption and send you
> packing?
>
> t
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> Pure mathematics is the enemy of every truly
> creative man -- Sir Alec

RA allows "bastard" cars to run as exhibition only, no points scored. We can score them locally in our regional championship however.

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Re: NASA rule changes
November 14, 2008 09:54PM
hmmm....this is all too motivating to finish the Golf.....must stop following threads on new rules.



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