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Posted by heymagic
Banned Super Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
It's all relative isn't it. Someone looking at a $9K rally car won't be looking at sequential transmissions. If someone is looking at sequential transmissions, $9k isn't outrageous. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Oliver Klozoff Ultra Moderator Location: Oregon Join Date: 09/10/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 480 Rally Car: Nada |
well i dooooo only have like 2.5 right now. but i was just saying I don't think i shelled out $9k for all of the rally cars i have bought through the years. Ok if you take out dougs old rx7, i bought the Legacy, truck, Rx7 #2, civic, taxi for a combined total of around $8k. All with log books, sure they all needed some love. But I'm in love with the build, so thats part of the fun.  "Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty" |
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IF there was a 1.6 class, you could still get a close ratio gearset for $1100, appropriate FD for $550 (or less if one of the OE ratios works OK), and build a honda that should go real good for fractions of the Fiesta cost.  KF7RWG 
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John Vanlandingham Infallible Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Banned Super Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Who's arguing? More expensive than what? The life cycle of the parts on the fiesta R2 is expected to be over a full season of running hard. The bits have a lot of rally specific engineering behind them and are designed to work together as a package. You don't get that with junk-yard parts. It may be quibbling, but the entire R2 Kit is mid $30k, considering that includes reigers and AP brakes (I think) I doubt the engine and box add up to $20. I see your point... then again there were more fiestas at Tall Pines than there were Gr5 cars. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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John Vanlandingham Infallible Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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Understood. But I maintain the comparison needs to have some comparisons to be valid. The R2 package really needs to be looked at in comparison to other similar products not to a 'home brew' package. But... will the 'free' engine want/need a teardown and overhaul to be reliable? Is there little to no value in having a truely new engine instead of one with a hundred thousand miles or more? I absolutely understand that. I also understand that MSport's life cycles come from years of experience and building things that need to survive the rally environment. (other than alternators, apparently) I wasn't suggesting otherwise, there is room for more than one type of 'package' for different levels of clientelle. I've always had bad luck with junkyard parts. No matter what you get there you need to fully tear-down and probably combine parts from a couple of samples to get one good working one. Mindless, simple work for some but not for everybody. (Although I agree you will know your car MUCH better by doing this.) My experience has also been that if it is a wear item in the car, a junk-yard part will be equally worn. Fair enough. Great example of what can be found, and a deal, in a wreckers if you know what you're looking for. I was talking about the kit, not a turn-key car. I seem to recall O'neill saying the car, ready to drive, would be ~60K ish. Yup. As they should. I don't generally have an aversion to new parts unless there is absolutely no reason to be concerned about age. When I owned a VW rabbit, I could have the rotors cut when doing a break job for $15ish or buy new rotors for $20. I bought new rotors. All we are doing is playing. More people were playing with fiestas than with Gr5 cars, and you said there weren't enough fiestas to make it a viable class. That's all I was getting at. Nobody is. (well, TO'N probably is - but rally isn't his primary source of income anyway) I don't disagree with you there but experience has shown that many of the people coming into the sport don't understand that and DO build newer cars and sink a lot of money into them. I also think there is a fallacy that buying a $200 car and using junk-yard parts is 'cheap.' Particularly if you are outsourcing labour you'll start adding up the costs quickly. (See Grant's Xratty build) Also, I was chatting with another Canadian at OTR commenting on the number of stacker trailers and motorhome tow rigs at the event. It seems enclosed trailers are almost a requirement now and the days of the big teams being the ones with a cube van and open trailer are long gone. (enclosed trailers do have some real advantages) Only a decade ago you'd see a third of the field driven to an event and most of the rest of the field with either a pick-up or panel van and a trailer. If the event was local, you probably drove to the event. That just isn't the case anymore. This is a sport that costs money. Doing more with less is a noble goal, but is it realistic? We've regularly seen 'old car' builds battle with reliability when coming out to the stages and as we all know, seat time is the goal - and not seat time sitting still waiting for sweep to pull you back to service. At the end of the day, there are people out there who want to buy the new stuff and spend the money to rally with that level of car. I'm reminded of doctors/dentists/lawyers who always have to own the latest professional camera gear. I love those guys because that means I can buy a 1 generation old camera for a fraction of the new price. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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