New Guy

Quote
wvonkessler
I call bullshit on JVL's video. Cars are obviously Volvo Original Cup cars, which means that the sampling in the Swedish event is biased toward them.

Take a look at the Group F stats here: http://www.f-cup.fi/tulokset-ja-tilastot/

Very few FWD, but they are VW/Seat or Honda. Very few Volvos - all 240s. Lots of BMWs . No Sierras.

Genosse Herr Advokat,
you can call bullshit all you want, the car I posted was GruppH..
You can find any Swedish event you want and count cars. Last one I looked at out of 97 cars--a small event-- over 30 were various Volvos..a FEW VOC cars, a couple of Appendix K Historic, and a PILE of Grupp H.
Here's one random event just last week:
http://www.motorsport4sale.com/resultat/2013/130824_mjolkpallen.pdf

126 entries
57 Volvos of all sorts from Appendix K 122s to A drivers 2wd
25 of that VOC so 32 not VOC
(You do understand I am "a Ford or Saab guy" dontcha...You realise how it sorta pains me to say "go Volvo" rather than Xratty or Saab dontcha? But its hard for me to not report a trend that has done nothing but grow in the last 20-22 years, in the same time period "my" favorites have faded)

Point was implied that it is within capabilities of half competent garage guys to build a car that goes like that and is affordable and a challenge to guys to find equivalent vids of US FWD Subies or US Sentras or US Fuckus, or US Golves..

We've been over this a thousand times--comparing costs, not of some pile of crap stock thing with some door panels taken off and a Gp2 sticker, but a car that can reliably go like the pretty cars in the vids--drivers aside.

Everything costs money...how much for what is the question PRESUMING---and it is the impossible to quantify presumption---that people want an experience different that just driving down the road to go to the grocery store..

http://www.motorsport4sale.com/resultat/2013/130824_mjolkpallen.pdf

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Quote
NoCoast
Also appears that a Golf WON an event this year.
Lead for season is Volvo, Volvo, Corolla, MB, Corolla, Starlet, BMW, Starlet, Golf, BMW.

Plenty go fast, the link I posted to whatever Mjolkpallen listed several of the VWs as "kitcars'...kinda like the TTS (Team Toyota Sweden ex Asterhag "Muraren"developed fwd Corollas). Beautiful cars... nothing that a normal broke ass guy here could ever afford, tho.

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Ok i am car shopping. as far as plasma cutter and welder got them covered. I am not afraid to chop a few cars into little pices and build one good one out of all the best pieces.

My wife just booked a room for friday saturday and sundy night for the Black river stages.

We will also be at as many of the summit point rally x events as we can make.

thanks for all the help and keep it comming.

i think i am most interested in building my car rather than buying one all ready done but i would buy one if i find a good deal

Woody

Quote
wvonkessler
I call bullshit on JVL's video. Cars are obviously Volvo Original Cup cars, which means that the sampling in the Swedish event is biased toward them.

Take a look at the Group F stats here: http://www.f-cup.fi/tulokset-ja-tilastot/

Very few FWD, but they are VW/Seat or Honda. Very few Volvos - all 240s. Lots of BMWs . No Sierras.

So now that we corrected you "calling bullshit" we can look at your link
Yleinen
MÄN JÄM LAH UKI URJ NAA YHT
1. Jaska Nuorala KangUA Volvo 240 26 19 26 71
2. Tero Salminen LopUA Volvo 240 22 13 22 57
3. Toni Kuhanen HAU Toyota Corolla GT 20 16 20 56
4. Jere Rekola LahUA M-B 190 E 19 11 19 49
5. Petri Kumpulainen LahUA Toyota Corolla GT 16 13 16 45
6. Timo Ruoppa LuuUA Toyota Starlet 7 10 12 29
7. Mikko Kauppinen VesUA BMW M3 7 22 29
8. Mikko Ala-Talkkari LapUA Toyota Starlet 14 6 7 27
9. Joonas Lindroos ESRC VW Golf GTI 16V 2.0 26 26
10. Antti Seppälä HamUA BMW M3 12 2 11 25
11. Jari Koski AL-Härmä Toyota Corolla GT 10 14 24
12. Mikko Pajunen JyvUA Opel Kadett E GSI 16V 16 16
13. Harri Mieskolainen PiekUA BMW M3 1 3 9 13
14. Sami Sundell EspooUA Honda Civic Type-R 1 8 4 13
15. Petri Vihervuori OriUA Ford Escort RS 2000 4 1 7 12
16. Juha Paavilainen LprRT Ford Escort RS 2000 5 5 1 11
17. Olli Lavikainen EspooUA Volvo 240 10 1 11
18. Henri Tuomisto KeurUA Opel Astra GSI 16V 2 1 5 8
19. Kimmo Kärki HamUA BMW M3 6 6
20. Heikki Lappalainen RiiUA Toyota Corolla FX-GT 2 3 5
21. Jarkko Sihvo ESRC Toyota Starlet 1 2 3
22. Anders Anttila AnkUA Toyota Corolla GT 1 1 1 3
23. Mika Kangasaho P-HUA BMW M3 1 1 1 3
24. Kimmo Juhannusvuori RaisUA BMW M3 1 1 1 3
25. Tuomo Wirman OriUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 1 3
26. Olli-Pekka Esko EurUA Opel Astra GSI 16V 1 1 1 3
27. Jari Kalmi HyUA BMW M3 1 1 1 3
28. Juha Laaksonen MäntsMK Ford Escort RS 2000 16V 3 3
29. Riku Rantanen LahUA Volvo 240 1 1 2
30. Edgar Wirtanen E-TMK/UA Opel Astra GSI 16V 1 1 2
31. Veijo Järvi AL-Härmä Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
32. Tero Nikkinen MäntsMK Toyota Corolla GT 1 1 2
33. Mathias Sahlin PoSUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
34. Veli-Pekka Huuska LemUA Volvo 240 1 1 2
35. Matti Väänänen HausUA Opel Corsa 1 1 2
36. Jyrki Sorjasaari RaisUA Fiat 131 Racing 1 1 2
37. Sami Sarvaala MäntsMK BMW M3 1 1 2
38. Petri Sivunen RiiUA BMW M3 1 1 2
39. Mikko Kortesuo NokUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
40. Jani Hirvonen EspooUA Honda Civic Type-R 1 1 2
41. Jukka Ikonen KR-Team Toyota Starlet 1 1 2
42. Pasi Tiainen LohUA Toyota Corolla 1 1 2
43. Pekka Anttonen OriUA Volvo 240 1 1 2
44. Kalle Jaakkola PadMU BMW M3 1 1 2
45. Mikko Kilpiä LprRT Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
46. Jussi Muranen ÄkiUA BMW M3 1 1 2
47. Jari Kavander LohUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
48. Jarno Junnila RUA Toyota Starlet 1 1 2
49. Pasi Valkonen LahUA Toyota Starlet 1 1 2
50. Miika Nikusaari MynUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1 2
51. Pentti Kopalainen HämUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1
52. Kalle Berg PaiUA BMW M3 1 1
53. Samuli Nevä PaiUA Toyota Corolla GT 1 1
54. Jouko Karhumäki LopUA VW Golf GTI 16V 2.0 1 1
55. Jari Linden PetUA Toyota Corolla GT 1 1
56. Mikko Lauhasmaa EPUA Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1
57. Minna Lindroos ESRC Honda Civic Type-R 1 1
58. Juha Hakuli LRT Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1
59. Marko Häkkinen LMM Ford Escort RS 2000 1 1
60. Antti Aaltonen UAU Honda Civic Type-R 1 1
61. Jari Huuhka OriUA Toyota Corolla GT 1 1
62. Jarno Haapoja LapUA BMW 325i 1 1
63. Sami Koivusaari HyUA Toyota Corolla GT 1 1
64. Janne Palmu KSAU Ford Focus 1 1
65. Markus Laakso HeiUA BMW M3 1 1
66. Jani Rokka RaisUA Ford Escort Mexico 1 1
67. Kimmo Roivas RiiUA Nissan Sunny GTI 1 1

Yleinen is "General"
17 Toyotas--all RWD--all cars prodution ended in 1986 at latest
16 Fords all but 1 RWD for which production ended in 1980
14 BMWs
5 Opels of which one little Corsa, the rest Kadette 16v or Astra w/ 99.1" w.b.
4 Hondas....all with fairly modest placings
6 Volvos...ended production 1993..1975 thru '93 good run..

Which just happen to be in 1st and 2nd place with 2 wins and 2 second places against aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll those other swankier, newer thangs.


I think we have established over the years that out US roads are on average faster road than even "Finnish Grand Prix" roads...
I think we can say it is certainly no dis-advantage in a boring boxy Volvo--or something similar size/engine/price/ease. and flexibility of mods when the time comes.

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Lying with incomplete stats again John - last years overall (and that's what counts) had one Volvo in th top ten, at 5th.

Just semantics I guess, but I'll repeat the mantra that the only folks who have gotten pussy in an old Volvo are old hippies - the Bimmer will get you the younger trim.

---

"Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne

"Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain

Quote
wvonkessler
Lying with incomplete stats again John - last years overall (and that's what counts) had one Volvo in th top ten, at 5th.

Just semantics I guess, but I'll repeat the mantra that the only folks who have gotten pussy in an old Volvo are old hippies - the Bimmer will get you the younger trim.

I clicked your link, nothing opened so I clicked "Geenral" for this year.

This isn't about lying, its about trying to get guys to think about cars which can--IF--- IF they have fun starting out, that they can KEEP_{---and not piss away thousands in fixed costs for cage/safety/etc---}the same car and keep improving the car as they themselves improve--that they can AFFORD to improve it if they so choose.

And something that works good enough that they have enough fun they want tkeep goping when the POS thing breaks.

And of course to have performance potential that is not limited by complete lack of normal rally type junk.

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Quote
smwwoody

My wife just booked a room for friday saturday and sundy night for the Black river stages.

We will also be at as many of the summit point rally x events as we can make.

You're married... *AND* she's tolerant/willing to go with/also into it?

Shit, you're already half way there.

---

Kirk Coughlin
Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.

yea the wife thinks it is great. she really wants to do some rally x driving.

Woody

What would you think of this car properly caged and preped in AWD open light. or is open light too high of a class to start out in.

http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29599

thanks

Woody

Quote
smwwoody
What would you think of this car properly caged and preped in AWD open light. or is open light too high of a class to start out in.

http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29599

thanks

Woody

it would be fine but why pay that much for something that needs a cage CUT OUT and redone. Mark P's car would be a better starting point. there are some others floating around too. if you want to run open that's fine, but RA doesn't allow it unless you have prior experience (or are an extreme sports star) NASA is cool with it.

---

-KTurner
Stomp down on the exhilarator and hold on to the wheel.

sorry to ask but is there a link to mark p's car so i can check it out

Open LIGHT, is without a turbo which Rally America will let you run in from the start. NASA will let you start in a turbo car. You definitely want to run open or the equivalent 2wd class. It's a lot easier and the classes are more popular.

Also, Mark's car:
http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?55729-2000-Subaru-2-5RS-Rally-Car-w-Spares-Trailer-Open-Light

Almost too good to pass up, I'm actually tossing around the idea of buying it myself and selling what I've got now...

Tim.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2013 04:12PM by TronDD.

Mark's car is decently priced considering trailer and dms. I've seen similar spec cars without dms sell for 8-9k.

---

Grant Hughes

"dms" ? i am new to this please excuse my stupidity.


Marks car has a sale pending. I have first shot at it if the sale falls through.

There is also MartinB's car but it is in Edmonton AB. it is going to cost me a pile to get it home

Drummond Motor Sports