Cheap 2013 Fiesta for those wanting to build one

Found this on ebay today. 6K miles, had an accident, non-salvage, manual transmission. So Cal

$9K

Might be a good builder candidate for those not wanting to shell out $50K for an Oneil Fiesta. Start with a cage, suspension and under-body prep for $8K-9K and then move on to some power upgrades later.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Fiesta-Fiesta-Gas-Meiser-36mpg-2013-ford-fiesta-s-sedan-12-k-miles-clear-title-excellent-value-/261316081134?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3cd7a6f5ee&item=261316081134&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

$9000 for a crashed car that is in essence an '86 Golf is and then start spending money is cheap?
$9000 and some effort could mean a very solid completed car with a lot of seriously good parts in it.
The one before you have even started spending money prepping the other.

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How much money is Volvo dumping on our sport??
Not everyone is poor, not everyone wants an old POS built from a wrecking yard. This sport is all about what people want to do, no one needs to rally (or organize or volunteer). It all works only because we want it to.

Just saying..... I got a well sorted car for $9.8k for sale right now.....

G2 was dominated by the Fiesta's this year, nationally. There is a big development around them internationally with what M-Sport and others is doing

9K for a 2013 donor car is a steal in my book. Not chasing down wiring kluge issues in a 15-25 year old car means a lot to guys like myself. Being able to call Ford for discounted parts support and contingency money is big too. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot o Mopar support for my 13 year old Neon, nor was my car campaigned by hundreds of teams worldwide, like the Fiesta has been.

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Just saying..... I got a well sorted car for $9.8k for sale right now.....

IF you were smart you'd buy your own car.
Or even better keep it and just get the suspension set up properly..

Good enough to win your regional events....What more do you want?

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G2 was dominated by the Fiesta's this year, nationally. There is a big development around them internationally with what M-Sport and others is doing

9K for a 2013 donor car is a steal in my book. Not chasing down wiring kluge issues in a 15-25 year old car means a lot to guys like myself. Being able to call Ford for discounted parts support and contingency money is big too. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot o Mopar support for my 13 year old Neon, nor was my car campaigned by hundreds of teams worldwide, like the Fiesta has been.

BRENDON REEVES was the star of the whole series... just as Orders and the other Ozzie did with their crude ol rwd Nissan 240s.
It's not that Reeves drove a Fiesta, its that he was in a car with a good motor, run thru a good clutch, to a good gearbox and a good final drive and a good diff.
And the car had good suspension, good steering and good brakes..

And he knows how to keep the foot down on the gas and how to BRAKE for corners---ya know that thing I always talk about BRAKING FOR DECELERATING.....according to eye witnesses substantially later and harder than any others...

Keeping a peeky engine cooking is harder than driving a nice mellow torquey thing, and braking---for slowing down---is the most critical skill to develop, and its hard even with practice...even with 12-15 hours practice a week.

But knowing what the parts that went into the Fiesta, that's no mystery....I keep saying it and I wonder if anybody has bothered to look:
in essentially every detail it IS justa 1800 Golf from 1987--except it does it with 1600cc.. Look at length , wheelbase, width, weight, HP, Ft/lbs, construction details,

I'm sorry but I cannot see what advantage a crashed $9000 car is over a Golf for whatever..for thousands and thousands less money--for everything..

Now you seem all pissed and think somehow since when we talked I've gotten all evil, i haven't, you just don't like what I'm saying..

But I have to ask. You know there's dozens and dozens of lurkers who read everything, and when they don't know shit from shinola
And they read stuff, we owe it to them to examine, work out, for some, them maybe , maybe you, discover what the mix is, WHY and WHAT makes a car go...and then maybe HOW....how the various ways..

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not bad if it's truly just the right rear quarter panel with a good paint job.

If'n I was going to shell out the $$$$$$$ to build a current car, it'd probably be something that could be turned into a FIA homologated car so I could go run the "full" WRC Mexico and be scored against the big boys (or the JWRC kids at least).

(Since this is clearly fantasy-land, money is clearly no object... )

I haven't dug into it, but I'm guessing the "sedan" version isn't homologated for an R1 or R2 car.
(truthfully, I'd be curious to see if they actually homologated the 5-door hatch like Team O'Neil said they were going to...)

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I haven't dug into it, but I'm guessing the "sedan" version isn't homologated for an R1 or R2 car.
(truthfully, I'd be curious to see if they actually homologated the 5-door hatch like Team O'Neil said they were going to...)

List of Homologated Vehicles classified by Country - published on 25.07.2013

I don't see any USA fiestas listed. Does that mean US fiesta shells aren't cool with the FIA? There is a 5 door homologated fiesta listed under Great Britain.

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I haven't dug into it, but I'm guessing the "sedan" version isn't homologated for an R1 or R2 car.
(truthfully, I'd be curious to see if they actually homologated the 5-door hatch like Team O'Neil said they were going to...)

List of Homologated Vehicles classified by Country - published on 25.07.2013

I don't see any USA fiestas listed. Does that mean US fiesta shells aren't cool with the FIA? There is a 5 door homologated fiesta listed under Great Britain.

I'm guessing they're still OK. Under USA, they've got the Chevy "Optra / Lacetti" listed (WTCC?), and I know it's not a US-market car, and nothing on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Lacetti ) leads me to believe it's built or assembled in the US either.

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But knowing what the parts that went into the Fiesta, that's no mystery....I keep saying it and I wonder if anybody has bothered to look:
in essentially every detail it IS justa 1800 Golf from 1987--except it does it with 1600cc.. Look at length , wheelbase, width, weight, HP, Ft/lbs, construction details,

I'm sorry but I cannot see what advantage a crashed $9000 car is over a Golf for whatever..for thousands and thousands less money--for everything..



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----John, it seems like the Fiestas have proven to be pretty reliable and strong given the # of people who have competed and placed well in them as well as taken their hits and rolls and bumps and still keep on going. Would you say that given a "like-for-like" build (cage tied into strut towers, a good suspension..maybe like JVAB! and subaru top mounts like you suggest) would a current stock Golf be just as durable and strong as the Fiestas have been these past couple of years?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/31/2013 10:25AM by ReluctantGolf.

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I'm guessing they're still OK. Under USA, they've got the Chevy "Optra / Lacetti" listed (WTCC?), and I know it's not a US-market car, and nothing on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Lacetti ) leads me to believe it's built or assembled in the US either.

Um, try Suzuki Forenza/Reno.

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But knowing what the parts that went into the Fiesta, that's no mystery....I keep saying it and I wonder if anybody has bothered to look:
in essentially every detail it IS justa 1800 Golf from 1987--except it does it with 1600cc.. Look at length , wheelbase, width, weight, HP, Ft/lbs, construction details,

I'm sorry but I cannot see what advantage a crashed $9000 car is over a Golf for whatever..for thousands and thousands less money--for everything..



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----John, it seems like the Fiestas have proven to be pretty reliable and strong given the # of people who have competed and placed well in them as well as taken their hits and rolls and bumps and still keep on going. Would you say that given a "like-for-like" build (cage tied into strut towers, a good suspension..maybe like JVAB! and subaru top mounts like you suggest) would a current stock Golf be just as durable and strong as the Fiestas have been these past couple of years?

Absolutely if "Like-for-like" effort and parts were used; the biggest difference would be the cost.
If you made 3 side by side columns and did a 'major component" list of parts and costs and prodcedures and costs, many many things would cost the same thing---like cage, shell prep, seats, suspension, tires, brakes, engine work (boring a cylinder block costs the same, surfacing a head costs the same, grinding valves costs the same) so those costs would be a scratch, they would so to say "cancel out", except the kit parts are vastly more expensive: over $7000 for the kit suspension for Fiesta...



The difference would come down to the parts you don't make yourself like this kinda

................Fiesta............................................GOLF II/III...........................................Volvo 240/Xratty


Car...............$9000-12000.....................................$400-800..............................................Free- 1200
Gears/diff/final drive......._{BR10000009A GEARBOX 1} £4,095.00 /$6573.29.......................ca 3500.............................400-1200

Junk needed to install:BR10000010A GEARCHANGE KIT 1 £280.00 Kit.........................$200-400..................................160-450
BR12030003B GEAR LEVER TURRET MK2 ASSY 1 £56.52 Each
BR12030016B SELECTOR ROD ASSY 1 £45.50 Each
BR12030023A 8MM ROD END 1 £6.30 Each
BR12030020A ROD TOPHAT 2 £4.50 Each
BR12030022A BOTTOM CLEVIS TOPHAT 2 £6.50 Each
BR12030024A GEAR LEVER TURRET SPACER 2 £4.52 Each
BR12030021A REVERSE LEVER 1 £60.00 Each
BR18040005A HANDBRAKE BEARING SPACER 1 £6.95 Each
BR12030001B GEAR LEVER ASSEMBLY 1 £66.44 Each
BR12030026A GEAR LEVER MAIN TOPHAT 2 £5.99 Each
BR18040002A PIVOT BEARING R2 2 £3.99 Each
BN23050054A GROMMET 1 £4.52 Each
BR10000010Z GEARCHANGE HARDWARE KIT 1 £3.99 Kit
BR10000011A R2 DRIVESHAFT KIT LH 1 £450.00 Kit
BR16010007A SHORT STEM MODIFIED TILUP KIT 1 £137.26 Each
BR16010009B GAITER-OUTBOARD 1 £15.95 Each
BR16010008B CV JOINT OUTER 1 £49.80 Each
BR16010012B CIRCLIP - OUTBOARD JOINT 1 £0.79 Each
BR16010028A SMALL GAITOR CLAMP – OUTBOARD 33MM 1 £1.19 Each
160149A LARGE GAITER CLAMP – OUTBOARD 93MM 1 £2.02 Each
BR16010013B DRIVESHAFT BAR R2 1 £289.12 Each.......
BR10000012A R2 DRIVESHAFT KIT RH 1 £346.72 Kit
BR16010009B GAITER -OUTBOARD 1 £15.95 Each
BR16010008B CV JOINT OUTER 1 £49.80 Each
BR16010012B CIRCLIP - OUTBOARD JOINT 1 £0.79 Each
BR16010028A SMALL GAITOR CLAMP – OUTBOARD 33MM 1 £1.19 Each
160149A LARGE GAITER CLAMP – OUTBOARD 93MM 1 £2.02 Each
BR16010013B DRIVESHAFT BAR R2 1 £289.12
BR10000013A CROSS SHAFT KIT 1 £390.60 Kit
BR16010006A LONG STEM MOD'D TULIP KIT 1 £270.00 Each
BR16010023A CROSS SHAFT SUPPORT BRACKET 1 £122.06 Each
BR10000013B CROSS SHAFT HARDWARE KIT 1 £3.99

Engine.........depends could be as crazy as gearbox...............600-4000............................0 to 4000 depending

And on and on...

And the overarching question is: For What?

It hain't the World Series we're doing here at any level, its like a game of baseball in the empty lot down at the end of the street...



It would be interesting to do a real 3 column or 4 column comparison---including a mid-spec BLUE SUBIE........and I think more would see why I push certain cars for their dollar spent/laugh return ratios.

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i dont plan to have $9k in my next rally car (race ready), not even if add the price of the service van in

i will say for the cash i would buy it for a driver, shame its not a hatch

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