Robevo robert martai Ultra Moderator Location: Park ridge NJ Join Date: 02/18/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 13 Rally Car: Mitsubishi Evolution X |
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imnotcrazy Don Kennedy Mega Moderator Location: Reading, PA Join Date: 10/05/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 227 Rally Car: Impreza |
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Clayto Clayton McCrary Infallible Moderator Location: Olympia,WA Join Date: 07/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 161 Rally Car: XRatty purchased. Now build it!! |
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Vorpal_Rally Stinkfinger Lipschitz Mod Moderator Location: Uranus Join Date: 02/17/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 325 |
On a related note, please explain to me how I staffed one crew that worked four stages, the majority of that stage crew, all from, and organized by kcsubaru.com? Because all of those guys are flat billers? There might a couple, sure, but I know for sure, not the majority of them. It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion. William Ralph Inge TANSTAAFL |
DG_Rally Dave Grenwis Super Moderator Location: Minneapolis, MN Join Date: 08/16/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 125 Rally Car: '92 VW Golf |
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Dante Allan Dantes Godlike Moderator Location: Herman, MI Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 176 Rally Car: 87 Mazda LSRX-7 |
I had the Nicolet Car Club train-in at a Control on Beacon Hill or Camp 2 one year. They must have been a V8 car club. The first time they heard a car start popping on Anti Lag at the start line, a girl grabbed a fire extinguisher. After the car left I asked why. She said "it sounded like shit, and I though a rod was coming through the block."
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
They're wanting to pick apart that I said something in response to this:
OK they kick back hundreds of dollars to Subie guys in subsidised entries and cargo and swag and shit but Dave you're a VW guy so you'll love this: HOW has the Subaru marketing has swayed the general perception of rally in the US? A few years ago 3 of us loser guys were heading down to spectate Doo-Wops rally, our season openener and the best example of what a clubbie event should strive for in the West... The 2 20 sumpin Volvo boys arrived same time---an hour and 3/4 late so by time we drove to Hoquiam and then north 50 miles to the speccie pen area we had missed the chance top drive in until the cars did the first loop thru.. So Kevvie and Freja and I are hangin with the udder flakes and smokin ciggies and BSing.. I get to talking with a young pup about his slightly pimped Audi, but he wants to talk about his waaaaay wicked Golf that he'd spent bazziliions on.. No hold in the forefront of your mind that we're out at some t junction in the woods 55 miles North of the last thing you can call civilisation---I think Hoquiam rates that, maybe----and this kid with his bros have been sufficiently "aware" of rally that they drove 140 miles and navigated to this spot in the wood to spectate.....that's more than many do.... So as inevitable when I talk to people I ask "Doooood, you spend a lotta dough on 2 street cars all max boulevard pimp-ular-n-stuff, and you like "rally-racing".. Why haven't you put a cage in the Golf and come out here and enter an event? "Well shit mang I can't go rally-racing with a Golf, its NOT ALLOWED" Me, Kevin Hawkinson, Freja in unison "Say what?" Kid "Not allowed. It's not turbo and its not 4wd".... At that exact point Tom Buress in his ol Rabbiit was arroaching followed by von Ahlefeld Golf---1st and 2nd at that point and Tom Went on to be 6-7miles from winning OVERALL--when the single fuel pump puked. So yeah Subaru marketing has swayed the general perception of rally in the US... But not necessarily in a good way if a kid can go to all the trouble of getting all the way into the woods to spectate and believe the rule MANDATE he have a turbo 4wd car. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Anders Green Anders Green Mega Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
I actually have a hypothesis that this sort of thing (PR of fast expensive cars ending being propaganda espousing a belief that you can't run with red bull or monster or subaru backing you) has been part of the continual decline in rally participation by "real people". The decline is measurable and actual. My hypothesis as to this being part of the cause is conjecture, but the above example is an anecdote that lines up with it. One way to look at it is this: If you WANTED to plan a propaganda campaign that essentially taught "the masses" that rally cars needed to be turbo AWD, what would that look like? Would it look like 90% coverage of AWD and then just 10% coverage of 2WD to keep the natives from realizing something is up? I don't think it's "tinfoil hat" as much as it is "unintended consequences". Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
Aaron Luptak Aaron Luptak Infallible Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
OMG OBAMA'S GOING TO TAKE MY 2WD AWAY!!!!!111 KF7RWG http://www.utahrallygroup.com |
Anders Green Anders Green Mega Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
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Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Super Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
I will agree with this mostly from experience of talking rally to various car folk over the years, over several states. Generally I hear the following phrases:
1."id like to rally but it is too expensive" 2."I don't have a subaru (or evo, i have heard both) 3. "is that Rx-7 awd, how can it be a rally car when its not awd???!?"
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Paddy1337 Tim Patrick Super Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 01/26/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 175 Rally Car: Galant VR-4 |
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