BMW Dominates 2WD Entries at SB
Posted by wvonkessler
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Pitiful is the way you selectively see things. Had someone talked about Evan Cline 'winning' every stage first day at 100 Acre Woods in his SP car you'd have been all over that calling bullshit. (rightfully so) Ian did what he needed to do to win Gr2 regionally on day 1. Congrats, I certainly didn't mean to diminish that. .8 sec/mile faster than the closest regional G2 competition and beating a trio of Open Light Subarus. Nothing to sneeze at. But... pretending the 240 was the fastest Gr2 car out on the stages is beyond disingenuous. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Pitiful is your trolling... I don't "pretend" anything and you're ruining the thread as you have done so many times... I say TO THOSE I SPEAK WITH----people interested in having as much fun as they can driving on limited resources -----that it IS an excellent sturdy car and can be built to a good fun spec and competitive to whatever degree THEY CAN drive it...but the car is not going to be some dead-end I can keep it because there's no nothing for goodies that they can afford... And it can be done to a high spec for less money...of course if you made parts or built cars you might know that. but you don't, so you dont. Don't be "disingenuous"  yourself and attempt to say I say anything else to them.. I don't want to hear your bullshit and nobody else does either... Your parsing every word--no matter how uninportant, no matter if not directed at you or to others , no matter if you don't understand simple gawddam stuff because you are a putz consumer and "official", and your trolling has driven many off from here, which seems to be your intent...
Why don't you try responding to me when I address you? I try my best to ignore you since to me, and to those who want to build cars you have nothing, nada, nienta, zilch, zip, nothing to say. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Clayton McCrary Godlike Moderator Location: Olympia,WA Join Date: 07/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 161 Rally Car: XRatty purchased. Now build it!! |
There needs to be a "u need to hug" emoticon on this site
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Grant Hughes Elite Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Less hugs more drugs. Wilson posted this to poke at John, which makes lots of this okay. Anyhow, I'm heading up to the shop today to work on the skidplate design for E36 BMWs. Are they the best car for rallying ever? Nope. Are they a pretty good choice right now? Absolutely. I've seen two Merkurs in my local junkyards in past ten years. There are five E36 and seven Volvo 240s right now there. The Volvo is the better option for a rally car it's mostly an image issue and that they are fairly anemic on a test drive. Grant Hughes |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
John, you are so focused on demonizing me that you really do not see what's actually around you.
I've always thought Volvos were a good platform for rally. I fully 'get' the benefits of choosing a Volvo for rally, including the ability for someone with fab skills to replace just about everything but the shell and the engine block and make the car work really REALLY well. I regularly tell people they should start in the sport with a 2wd car and that RWD cars are much more bulletproof that FWD cars. (Although RWD cars are tougher to drive quickly for a generation that has - for the most part - been raised with FWD daily drivers. RWD does, however, teach you to think well ahead of the car... a valuable lesson regardless of what you're driving.) I never commented about what you say to others, I was only commenting about what you've said in this thread. Please share with the class how you can possibly defend "I saw a nice 240 winning just about every stage first day at 100 Acre Woods in Group 2" as being anything but purposefully misleading. Also, I don't wish to drive people away from the forum - in fact I regularly send people here to check it out. (With the same caveat all online forums get) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Kevin Turner Ultra Moderator Location: Newark, DE Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 364 Rally Car: 2wd Impreza... dude you should do an sti swap |
Matt Brandenburg Mega Moderator Join Date: 03/02/2014 Posts: 96 Rally Car: BMW M3 |
Crazy BMW driver here
We were thrilled to see 5 BMW's up on the list too love this post lol we had a lucky successful run and the codriver was flawless (Elliot Sherwood) For the record. E36 is a flawless rally chassis with a little reinforcements and the right rally bits. We'll in our opinion anyway
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Simon Wright Mega Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 10/19/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 161 Rally Car: Rally Spec Focus |
Dave Kern Professional Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Anders Green Senior Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Wilson is correct in his statement: BMW was the 2WD platform of choice. More people chose it. You want to argue about which platform is "better", or "faster", or "preferred", that's a whole different animal. Community and people matter more than technical anything. Would the VW Golf be worth rally at all if NO ONE ELSE rallied one? Think about it. I'd rather see five BMW, or 10 BMWs, and a great community grow around them that loves those cars, then have one guy show up in the "correct" car (whatever that is) and walk around telling everyone how he's so glad he didn't build a BMW.  Because that BMW community (or any marque community) will get other people interested in following them. They swap parts, and ideas, and service. For the sport, a pack of 10 [brand x] cars is better than 10 different brand cars.
Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
Paulinho Ferreira Senior Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
Exactly, and its normally those "communities" that sustain a lot of them, either by product support, crew help, volunteer pool, spare parts sharing etc, and with that more people will get motivation to start as well. |
Scott Creech Godlike Moderator Location: Jane, MO Join Date: 12/02/2012 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 415 Rally Car: Audi 90 Quattro (WIP) |
What about two (2) packs of four (4), a (1) pack of two (2), a six-pack of Dos Equis Ambar an' about a half-pack of smokes?  Parfois, on fait pas semblant! I am: I know: I am from: Nobody. Nothing. Nowhere. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2014 12:25PM by Creech. |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
But for the sport isn't it better to have a pack of 10 cars that can afford to do more events because they didn't need to foolishly spend money on go-fast parts that were available for pennies on the dollar had they started with the economical shell to build on and grow with? First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Anders Green Senior Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
The answer is no.
Your question assumes that there's a universe where logic would prevail over foolishness. If you had the group of people you imagine, that would choose the thriftiest transport available, they would also realize the great cost of competing AT ALL and quit immediately. I'd rather have ten passionate fools than ten much more logical, stingy beancounters, driving a car they hate because "it's more practical economically".
Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
Scott Creech Godlike Moderator Location: Jane, MO Join Date: 12/02/2012 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 415 Rally Car: Audi 90 Quattro (WIP) |
And THAT is a universe I want no part of. No person ever (righteously!) accused me of having a stick up my arse; you can bet John's dusty Contingency-Fund cash on that! Parfois, on fait pas semblant! I am: I know: I am from: Nobody. Nothing. Nowhere. |
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