CO driver drugs...which is best, where to obtain?

So,I'm seriously hanging myself out to get at least one, no more than two co driving gigs at cheap(er) rallyes next season, and know I'm gonna need em.
Opinions, pointers?

-Jonathan

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2007 05:10PM by rallyboy.

Prescription scopalomine patches....assuming this is for motion sickness....

I use dramamine when codriving, usually I take took much. I end up being fine the day after the rally, but the next day I'm completely wiped out. So if you use dramamine, follow the dosing instructions.

I don't take anything. I usually just try and stay hydrated and pay careful attention to how/where I look out the car windows while on stage. I rarely have problems but the eclipse at RallyWV this year was a challenge. The windshield bar was directly in my site line through my helmet visor for the first few stages. I later removed visor and was fine. YMMV

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Matt Smith

Racing in glorious black and red

My daily life is a Saab story (sold!)

Matt, Jonathan,

We'll try to have a small VFD pumper truck at service to hose down the right side of the rally car for you.....inside too if needed....

Mark B.

Mark, I hope to spending most of my time next year sitting on the other side of the car.

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Matt Smith

Racing in glorious black and red

My daily life is a Saab story (sold!)

I think it depends upon the car and driver. I've had people tell me I needed an antipsychotic, not motion sickness pills.

The patch is the most effective, but I've seen some people get pretty crazy from it.
It's quite an interesting drug really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine

Sarah Malsom promoted the use of ginger and it seemed to work quite well for the women of Colorado rally that had used it. I always just smoked like 2-3 packs a day during a rally and drank as much as I could at night and found, though quite hungover and killing water by the gallons during the event, I never experienced any motion sickness or illness that wasn't attributed to a hangover.

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Grant Hughes

Grant, you rock! Mark/ Matt, you know you do as well I really was hoping to get around to "really" meeting you at Colorado, as you seem to be pretty chill. I read the Wiki info and was blown away. Without going into graphic storytelling, Carlos Casteneda played a valuable role in my early art studies and later college years(all 3 of them). So, does this stuff just make you trip balls or something while keeping nausea at bay? I could just as well grab some 5HTP for the nerves/focus, and maybe chew on some ginger if that will do the trick. I mean it could be pretty cool to have a buzz out on stage that also kept my nervous system suppressed long enough to not blow chunks. I'll check into the patches with my doctor just the same. I quit smoking a few years back, and it was the best choice I ever made for my health. I only smoked for 5 years, but that was bad enough. So, we will see who is brave enough to give me a chance to sit in the right seat next season Thanks everyone for all of your help

-Jonathan

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mothra Wrote:
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> Mark, I hope to spending most of my time next year
> sitting on the other side of the car.
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> Matt Smith
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> Of course the car has graphics...
> We did them in satin black, flat black, and gloss
> black


Good deal, Matt.

Regards,
Mark B.
(resisting urge to post further humorous retorts....)

Ok. The problem with antinauseant drugs is that they all exhibit anticholinergic effects meaning the're all gonna make you sleepy and increase your heart rate. Often a low dose will supress the nausea without causing any negative effects on your energy level or ability to concentrate. There are drugs used primarily in cancer pt's that do not cause drowsiness but these are generally given intravenously and no Doctor will prescribe them to you for rallying!

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Gone fishing

I never took anything when I codrove. But, I didn't puke.

I have noticed many other codrivers chain-smoking as Grant mentioned. This seems to work especially well for the Irish.

I am not sure how massive post-event alcohol consumption helps. but the it is a widely accepted practice, except at STPR for the last few years where they substitute pancakes.

I you are sure you require anti-nausea drugs, why not do it right and have the service crew perform an ice-pick lobotomy on you. You don't need a scrip or any money for that. And it makes the service crew feel wanted. You'll forget all about the nausea. If you don't, tell yer crew to use a longer ice-pick.

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Ted Mendham
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Some folks I know would actually say I could benefit from a lobotomy ted As for the seriousness of the thread everyone has answered the questioned I had, and I'm totally appreciative. Now its just getting my first suit and intercom helmet this winter, and practicing notes. Then on to selecting a few events/ saving money for travel and assisting with costs for whomever I can get into the co driver seat with next season.

Thanks to all,

Jonathan

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I roll so deep in the grass that I touch roots...
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My wife found the ginger pills to be excellent. Dramanine made her feel pretty high - which was good for her - but doing math was brutal

Are you sure you need drugs?

Some people don't.

I kept a couple ziploc freezer bags to puke into, in the glove, in case I puked when I started out codriving. I never used them. open face helmets are better for puking, BTW. So is puking outside the car.

There are a lot of things you can do to minimize the chance of motion sickness in the car. Like:
-don't change eye focal points a lot.
-don't try to focus on notes that are jiggling a lot. Put elbows on knees and hold them steady. I know it's hard. Use a foot rest. Write yer notes BIG.
-don't panic. focus on the job.
-if there is a break in the notes, watch the numbers count up, not the scenery rip by out the side window, "OMG, look at that canyon drop!"
-get lot's of fresh air. Roof vents are great.
-don't eat crap food before rallying, that you won't want to spray all over everything.

No matter what I told my few non-inflatable dates back in the day, drugs are a last resort, AFTER you've proven to be a projectile vomit machine. You are better off if you can function, straight. Dramimine and Scopolomine (more so) will make you groggy. Scop used to used by dentists and got the nickname "twighlight sleep".

But, I still would really enjoy seeing a bunch of post-lobotomy navvies wandering around like real zombies at the next parc-expose. :-)

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Ted Mendham
www.rensport.net

tedm Wrote:
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> Are you sure you need drugs?
>
> Some people don't.

Yeah but as we used to say in Insanity Cruise (Santa Cruz):
Reality is just a crutch for those that can't handle drugs.

>
> I kept a couple ziploc freezer bags to puke into,
> in the glove, in case I puked when I started out
> codriving. I never used them. open face helmets
> are better for puking, BTW. So is puking outside
> the car.

Should the OOOOOPs happen, its also a good plan to clean it up before it sets into some disgustion concrete pavement pizza welded onto the metal.
>
> There are a lot of things you can do to minimize
> the chance of motion sickness in the car. Like:
> -don't change eye focal points a lot.
> -don't try to focus on notes that are jiggling a
> lot. Put elbows on knees and hold them steady. I
> know it's hard. Use a foot rest. Write yer notes
> BIG.

That's what I've always seen in the notes of real codrivers
and from what I've seen they use good new SHARPIE pens or equivalent.
Otherwise it looks like Shapei poo.

This SEEMS to make sense, large FAT , clear black letters, but it is in contrast to what Transplanted LA Boy Christian Edstrom insists is BEST!!!!!:
he uses a certain brand pencil with the ever so important 0,8mm lead.


Go finger?

> -don't panic.
A swoot frood always knopws where his towel is!!!


focus on the job.
> -if there is a break in the notes, watch the
> numbers count up, not the scenery rip by out the
> side window, "OMG, look at that canyon drop!"
> -get lot's of fresh air. Roof vents are great.
> -don't eat crap food before rallying, that you
> won't want to spray all over everything.

Cigarettes may help, easy fruit like apples are good,
both those have been conclusively proven tpo make me LOTS, and I mean more than a minute faster on say 14 minute stages.

Might help.


>
> No matter what I told my few non-inflatable dates
> back in the day, drugs are a last resort, AFTER
> you've proven to be a projectile vomit machine.
> You are better off if you can function, straight.
> Dramimine and Scopolomine (more so) will make you
> groggy. Scop used to used by dentists and got the
> nickname "twighlight sleep".
>
> But, I still would really enjoy seeing a bunch of
> post-lobotomy navvies wandering around like real
> zombies at the next parc-expose. :-)
>

If you begin to feel shitty, then holding the notes up so the head is in the "normal to the gravity" position and having the horison to give vital unconscious visual cues can suppress the nausea.

Rememeber to have fun!
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> Ted Mendham
> www.rensport.net

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