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Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile

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starion887
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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 27, 2007 06:01PM
NoCoast Wrote:
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> Just checked, and that's right. I'll attach the
> pic from 253-15. If A is less than 200 mm (~8"winking smiley
> then you don't need the bar. VW bug, Saab 99, and
> maybe a couple others could get away without it.

Yes the 99 is very close on this dimension. It depends a lot on exactly where you weld in the windshield bar to the lateral half bars.

> The mentioned crash in 02 was also a GTX that was
> home built and the shell had quite a bit of rust
> in the GTX, they were using a pretty much minimum
> cage, and this was way back when they still
> allowed stock seats. Not arguing about the logic
> behind sill bars as I have sill bars and an X and
>
The GTX is the one I am thinking about; thanks for the date correction Grant. We were competing there and it was not a happy scene at all. I know the many folks were sobered by the incident. With racing seats, better mounted, who knows what the results would have been; mighta been worse...or not. This incident provided a lot of motivation for the sill bar rule.

It baffles me why FIA has not adopted this yet. IMO, it's just a matter to time.

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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 27, 2007 06:19PM
I agree. We've done sill bars in every cage I've been involved in.
Apparently there was a significant amount of rust on JB's GTX shell too. That's what I've heard anyhow. I met him briefly in 2004. He loaned out his truck and trailer to Aaron McConnell to use. He's fully recovered, but is done with rallying.

I think back to that car and what the cage, seat, and other safety rules were, and can't believe how far the sport has progressed in such a short time.




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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 27, 2007 06:36PM
Dave, I see a lotta rusty cars (no shit) and I have learned over the years to sort the wheat from the chaff. Like my POS Golf, it looks awesome but the screwdriver says that the floors are made out of brown powder and rubberized undercoating.

The brown stuff on the floors behind the seat mount panel? That's crud that was stuck to the front carpet that fell off when we wrestled that sodden smelly mess out of the car. (50lb right there probably) Just like a 240Z... We went over the whole car with a screwdriver, being brutal, the rest is solid. Needs painting now smiling smiley but solid.

I'd drive to Colorado to pick up a clean car. It's only, what, 1500ish miles? So in the Durango that's maybe $800 in gas. If it was a car I wanted, like, *badly*, then that $800 in gas is a hell of a lot cheaper tha fucking around with rust. If I wanted something from the PNW, I'd probably just move there. I've had to deal with a lot of people from Oregon in the past few months, and they were all so fucking nice it was almost disturbing. Plus the mountain biking is supposed to be good...





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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 28, 2007 05:21PM
pssh...like it didn't need painting before.



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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 28, 2007 06:48PM
NoCoast Wrote:
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> I agree. We've done sill bars in every cage I've
> been involved in.
> Apparently there was a significant amount of rust
> on JB's GTX shell too. That's what I've heard
> anyhow. I met him briefly in 2004. He loaned out
> his truck and trailer to Aaron McConnell to use.
> He's fully recovered, but is done with rallying.

Very glad that he is recovered; it was a close call.

> I think back to that car and what the cage, seat,
> and other safety rules were, and can't believe how
> far the sport has progressed in such a short
> time.

Hey dude, I STILL have the original roll bar from 1977 that was in my first 2 rally cars; it got the forward half of a cage added welded onto it in '82 when we had to do that upgrade; sill bars addtions area piece of cake compared to going from a bolt-in roll bar to a cage structure. And my angst about that was probably at least 10 times the irritation that Luke may be feeling! BTDT!

After all that, it's instructive to look back and see how few folks have been hurt or worse with what we have had in rally cars over the years. A lot boils down to exact circumstances in each incident, as well as quality of cage build factors.

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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 28, 2007 07:43PM
My attitude is, build the car like you will intentionally ram it into something at max speed.

Because you just might end up doing that...

But that's one of the reasons why I stopped working on the one guy's car. It's a rusty POS (and this is me saying this...) and his attitude towards the build can be summed up in three statements:

Keep changing the goals (I think he was up to twin turbo, 1000hp Ford engine)
Cut out all of the interior structure, because it's getting a cage so it's not necessary (!!!)
Build it to whims and then we'll see where event organizers will class it (spectator class, most likely!)

Distaster and disappointment waiting to happen.

The Omni, I have faith in. Keep it strong, keep it simple, keep it down to earth.





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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
November 28, 2007 11:56PM
ha, so i know EXACTLY who your are talking about....ha!





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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
July 31, 2008 04:51PM
So we got out the Omni rack to put in the Shelby Daytona (2 turns) rack. You know, after the stitch welding and floors were done, but before the powerplant gets dropped in.

We were both looking at the Omni rack and said "Hmm that almost looks bolt in for the VW." So we checked how many turns lock to lock it was... two. ????

But the Daytona rack? It don' fit. The passenger mount is too far over and the rack lines go through where the passenger rack mount needs to be, and where the shift linkage needs to be. Back in went the Omni rack...


PS - yeah amazing, progress being made on this thing again!





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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
August 01, 2008 06:04AM
Pete Wrote:
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> We were both looking at the Omni rack and said
> "Hmm that almost looks bolt in for the VW." So we
> checked how many turns lock to lock it was... two.
> ????
>
>

2.5
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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
August 01, 2008 11:48AM
So it's not a fluke?

The GLH I drove a few years back definitely had more than that - felt more like 4 turns. With power steering on top. I wonder now if it just didn't get a plebe-mobile rack at some point in its life.





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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
August 01, 2008 01:33PM
Pete Wrote:
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> So it's not a fluke?
>
> The GLH I drove a few years back definitely had
> more than that - felt more like 4 turns. With
> power steering on top. I wonder now if it just
> didn't get a plebe-mobile rack at some point in
> its life.
>

Yeah who can say what things have on 'em after they're in the hands of dullard mechanics and even owners who don't realise what nice stuff they have.

But what they CAME with, those GHLs met a LOT of my criterion for a fun car, and most everything on the car was "pretty darn good", and that's a lot better than
pretty darn shitty.
The GHL motor, gearbox ratios, brakes, steering, chassi dimensions, width, overhang, visibility outward and even price was all PRETTY DARN GOOD.
And the sum of all the parts was even better.

Didn't hurt that there were Omnis and Horizons laying around for 100 buck when you wadded 'em up.
>
>
> Pete Remner
> Cleveland, Ohio
>
> 1984 RX-7 reshell
> 1978






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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
August 02, 2008 05:01AM
Pete Wrote:
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> So it's not a fluke?
>
> The GLH I drove a few years back definitely had
> more than that - felt more like 4 turns. With
> power steering on top. I wonder now if it just
> didn't get a plebe-mobile rack at some point in
> its life.
>
>

If it was more than 2.5 turns it was not a GLH rack. All GLH and GLH turbos had 2.5 turns.
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Re: Omni GLH Turbo Rallymobile
October 10, 2008 03:19PM
since i moved to colorado this month, i opted to take any useable anything off the omni and leave it behind. Not worth the expense to bring the car out here when i get a omni with NO rust for cheap out here. but all the good stuff is just laying in wait for something to pop up.



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