DanielSL Daniel Super Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
Speaking of adding lightness... anyone know what the average on that size car would be to add stitch or seam welding? I have a 110v MillerMatic, and was planning on stitching/seaming where I can eventually. Not off the bat for RX, but over time.
Never have been good at welding or using the plasma cutter. Figured strong and not pretty is fine on a Rally car; so perfect time to get a lot of practice in. |
Thomas Kimsey Thomas Kimsey Professional Moderator Location: Rochester, New Hampshire Join Date: 10/05/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 271 Rally Car: 1988 XRatty |
Average what? Added weight? Depends on how much you weld. Probably no more than 2 Kg if you do a decent amount of seams. Certainly not enough to warrant caring about. |
MattP Matt Pullen Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary Join Date: 10/22/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 282 Rally Car: 2002 Ford StRanger |
about 5lbs at the very most Yes, it's a Ranger. Xr4Ti, it is rwd and was made in Germany. |
DanielSL Daniel Super Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
Yes. Sorry. Added weight. LOL. Trying to type quickly at work between actual work, and mindlessness. Thanks. Good to know that it won't be enough to matter. So going to a lighter battery in itself would make up for all seam or stitch welding I would add. |
Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Super Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
Probably no real need. VW started laser welding the critical seams on their cars starting with the mk4 platform. No reason to spoil the nice rust protection to do something that gives no benefit. ____________________________________________________________- One. Class -- 2WD www.quantumrallysport.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Quantum-Rally-Sport/281129179600?ref=nf |
Pete Pete Remner Mod Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
Huge bucks for suspension and back and forth trying to find the "right" diff angle when for all practical purposes it will be locked 100% of the time anyway... waste lots of money on multiple sets of dried out old used tires instead of buying ONE set of NEW tires and maybe a pair of alternates for the front, since if you need alternates you aren't going fast enough for the rear to matter... I dunno, fiction has to be plausible but reality only has to be true! Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. |
danster Haggis Muncher Junior Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
I dunno either Pete. All these pages on how to put 250 turbo powarr horses to the dirt with a fwd vehicle...gear ratios, lsd ramp angles, tire width, diameter and tread pattern. It's like an a whole new genre evolving. But is the world really ready for... Scienz Friction! Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
DanielSL Daniel Super Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
Pete; Simple math. Everyone keeps telling me that I don't need this, and I don't need that for RallyCross. One set of new DMacks is going to set me back $1,100.oo, not including shipping.
It's only RX, right? Don't need new rally tires, right? All the tires I purchased used are at least 1/2 tread, and most of them are 75% or better. 7 - 15" Michelins for $120. 5 - 16" Mud grooved Michelins for $100. 4 - 15" DMacks with 12/32" for $200. Two spares for another $40. So for less than $500, I have two complete sets of gravel tires with spares, a set of mud tires with a spare, and two extra directional gravel spares, and a junker spare for whatever. I would barely be able to get a set of new winter tires (standard RX use), for that price. Probably the best money I have spent on the whole project so far, minus the initial investment of $250.oo for the rolling chassis, with clean title. |
danster Haggis Muncher Junior Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
Au Contraire, the best money you could have spent was flying my ass over to Florida to get this feckin car running before we all grow old and die prior to it turning a wheel and raising a single molecule of stoor from the dirt! It would be mutually beneficial too, as I'd be living in an area above freezing and I'd also eat and drink you out of house and home whilst hurling the odd insult at you. You could try to chase me, but I'm a jinky wee fecker so you'd lose some weight trying catch me which would result in an increased powarr to weight ratio of the Carradini / Golf Unit. Surely that's a win win for both of us? Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
DanielSL Daniel Super Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
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paperpaper Dan Downey Elite Moderator Location: Franklin, MA Join Date: 02/24/2014 Age: Settling Down Posts: 28 Rally Car: e30 |
Yeah so you are ready to go for less than 1500. Why are you not racing yet? |
paperpaper Dan Downey Elite Moderator Location: Franklin, MA Join Date: 02/24/2014 Age: Settling Down Posts: 28 Rally Car: e30 |
so you have the small dick measuring contest win then. |
DanielSL Daniel Super Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
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DexterVW David Baker Mod Moderator Location: Rhode my Island Join Date: 11/20/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 290 Rally Car: 95 GTI TDI |
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Pete Pete Remner Mod Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
And I bought a complete set of Black Rockets for a tiny bit over $600 shipped to my door. Brand new tires, not dried out old junk. (And, being competiton tires, unless they are stored EXTREMELY carefully, the rubber will be dried out old junk after only one or two years. Michelin hasn't made rally tires in how many years now? A decade maybe?) I gave two of my BRs a Viking Funeral this year because they were starting to crack badly. It was glorious. Bought two more, can really feel the difference in compound between the 2014 tires and the 2016s. Really want to get at least one pair of Indy Sports as alternates but I have a feeling that their life would be measured in mm of tread lost per run. That hurts extra because, as someone from a mountain biking background, it's not the tread depth that matters as much as the tread edges, once the blocks start to get rounded off the grip goes away and you rotate the tires or throw them out. Or sell them to someone for $20-30 a pop. Someone, on another forum, pointed out that buying new tires was for the pointy-end guys and everyone else makes do with used tires. I counterpointed that maybe the pointy-end guys are on the pointy end because they aren't driving on crappy old tires that are three sizes too large. I got LOTS faster when I finally bought new tires. Worth every penny. I also started breaking a lot more drivetrain parts, kind of proof that I was finally getting good grip. Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2016 11:08PM by Pete. |