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Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 12, 2008 09:12PM
I got a little free time and made some progress on the GTX brake upgrade over the last few days. The photos are for you John because there's really no a good reason to make the brake parts like this. That's right I admit it...they're like this because I can

First up is one stock diameter spindle on the left and two that have been turned down in outside diameter to fit inside my rotor hats.


I need longer wheel studs but I couldn't find anything that fit exactly. So I bought some LONG ARP studs (PN/100-7713), shortened them, turned in a bullet nose, and had them re-plated.

The knurl is slightly bigger so the holes need to be reamed out to 0.500" diameter.

And all pressed in.

All the sexy brake parts.

That's right John...billet 6al-4v titanium t-nuts. Offering up decreased rotational inertia, corrosion resistance, radial expansion for theoretically less warpy rotors, and they're really shiny. I even made a special tool to stake the backside of the t-nuts making them into self locking threads. Might still get safety wired too out of paranoia.


With the new wheels.





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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 12, 2008 09:31PM
Hey Tim

Don't forget to give the Ti bits a good dip in hi-temp anti-sieze, I learned from mountain bike bits that Ti is a bugger in those dissimilar metal environments.

Looks far too pretty to bo basjing about in the woods with smiling smiley

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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 12, 2008 10:21PM
Your like a magician of sorts.

I have some questions to ask you.

I am getting ready to do some work on the mills at the technology/machine shop down at Metro State College of Denver next week with some students. I have M14 studs to press into the hubs, but need bored (or is reamed the correct term) because stock stuff is M12. The knurl diameter is 14.75 mm or 0.580".
I also have the 7/16-20 steel inserts that I am going to press into the upright to bolt the caliper to. Their Wilwood parts and I believe they say to bore to 9/16" to press them in, but I measured them anyhow. It's knurl diameter is 0.57".
What is the bit that you are using. What diameters should be used for these knurl diameters? I was going to post pictures, but the camera is MIA.

Also going to mill out all the broken bolts in my two T3 turbine housings. The car should be driving by Easter though if all the orders show up and the machine work goes as planned.



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 12, 2008 11:03PM
NoCoast Wrote:
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> Your like a magician of sorts.

I assure you that (like most things) it becomes much less magical when you do it for a living.

>
> I have some questions to ask you.
>
> I am getting ready to do some work on the mills at
> the technology/machine shop down at Metro State
> College of Denver next week with some students. I
> have M14 studs to press into the hubs, but need
> bored (or is reamed the correct term) because
> stock stuff is M12. The knurl diameter is 14.75
> mm or 0.580".
> I also have the 7/16-20 steel inserts that I am
> going to press into the upright to bolt the
> caliper to. Their Wilwood parts and I believe
> they say to bore to 9/16" to press them in, but I
> measured them anyhow. It's knurl diameter is
> 0.57".
> What is the bit that you are using. What
> diameters should be used for these knurl
> diameters? I was going to post pictures, but the
> camera is MIA.

That's a strait flute chucking reamer in the picture. On the wheel studs you will want about 0.010" of interference which is a 0.570" reamer. Probably easiest for you to buy it from McMaster Carr. They only seem to have 0.5680" which is close enough.

The Wilwood insert should be fine at 9/16" which would make it a 0.0075" press fit. You might be able to get away with just drilling it if you're careful but I would suggest the following since you're trying to move the holes over.
-get a 1/2" endmill and SLOWLY peck drill it into the existing hole offset. This will keep it from walking to the side and ovalizing the hole.
-enlarge that very carefully with a twist drill (not the easiest technique as it will try to grab), a hole enlarging drill that doesn't grab like the photo below, or a series of reamers.




>
> Also going to mill out all the broken bolts in my
> two T3 turbine housings. The car should be
> driving by Easter though if all the orders show up
> and the machine work goes as planned.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

Cool, that's great news. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Tim

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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 01:53AM
*very* nice! What size are the rotors and what make are they?



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 11:12AM
Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> *very* nice! What size are the rotors and what
> make are they?
>
> Feisty Peacock?


Front: 11"x0.81" Wilwood PN/160-5840
Rear: 10.75"x0.81" Wilwood PN/160-5839
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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 07:32PM
Ted Andkilde Wrote:
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> Hey Tim
>
> Don't forget to give the Ti bits a good dip in
> hi-temp anti-sieze, I learned from mountain bike
> bits that Ti is a bugger in those dissimilar metal
> environments.
>
> Looks far too pretty to bo basjing about in the
> woods with
>
> Cheers, Ted
>
> Pure mathematics is the enemy of every truly
> creative man -- Sir Alec

Hey Ted,

No worries, I learned that one the hard way too. On the mountain bike front I made those t-nuts out of scrap Ti that was left over from making these billet dropouts:

Here is a steel set on one of my single speed frames:

And finally the really stupid. A custom 33t single speed chainring out of a 0.25" plate of titanium. I worked at Cook Bros. Racing during college so I already had the mounting profile of the F-cranks. I couldn't resist engraving the brand name of "Spacely Space Sprockets". I'm sure at least Anders will get the reference.



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 07:48PM
Ruh Roh!

You're a sick, sick man. grinning smiley



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 08:11PM
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> Ruh Roh!
>
> You're a sick, sick man.
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Hehehe...there is another one of these on a friends bike that's "Cogswell Cogs". Ah, the simple pleasures.

Tim
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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 13, 2008 10:29PM
Tim, did you go to CalPoly?



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 14, 2008 12:46AM
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> Tim, did you go to CalPoly?

Yes, in Mechanical Engineering.
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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 14, 2008 01:09AM
shit,

looks nice.



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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 14, 2008 02:05PM
Silly question - how did you hold the studs in the lathe while reducing their length (without junking the existing threads)?
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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 14, 2008 02:09PM
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> Silly question - how did you hold the studs in the
> lathe while reducing their length (without junking
> the existing threads)?

I held them in a 5C collet. I can take a picture of the setup if you like.

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Re: Ridiculous Brake Photos for John
March 14, 2008 02:55PM
Tim Taylor Wrote:
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> Here is a steel set on one of my single speed
> frames:


Wow, just wow...

My TI experience is limited to bottle cage bolts and seat clamps 'welding' themselves to their cro-mo homes -- I'm simply not worthy smiling smiley

The drop outs are outstanding, as are the Jetsons chainrings.

Cheers, Ted


Edit: Damn, you're probably younger, fitter, richer and better looking than me too -- I've suddenly lost all my will to live...

On the plus side, I am younger and better looking than JVL winking smiley



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