Ridiculous Brake Photos for John

ENOUGH WITH THIS PORN ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH !!!!!!!!

Fanfuckingtastic stuff.

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Cheers
M.Samli
Phoenix AZ
Gaylant VR4
EVO III GSR (Stolen)


Rallies are no place for traitors

Ted Andkilde Wrote:
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> Edit: Damn, you're probably younger, fitter,
> richer and better looking than me too -- I've
> suddenly lost all my will to live...
>
> On the plus side, I am younger and better looking
> than JVL
>

God I hope so...


Thank you for the kind words on the parts too.

Tim

I Demand more pics! (of the brake parts )

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

Tim Taylor Wrote:
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> Ted Andkilde Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Edit: Damn, you're probably younger, fitter,
> > richer and better looking than me too --
> I've
> > suddenly lost all my will to live...
> >
> > On the plus side, I am younger and better
> looking
> > than JVL
> >
>
> God I hope so...
>
>
> Thank you for the kind words on the parts too.
>
> Tim
>

I can't help but think of this:

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

sagsert Wrote:
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> ENOUGH WITH THIS PORN ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH
> !!!!!!!!
>

PORN???

If you think singlespeeds and rear brakes on a bicycle are "porn".

Now, if that was a FIXED-GEAR, then, well I'd still think it sucked, but that's some nice engineering to go fixed gear with a disc brake hub...


/i have SEVEN sprockets back thar and aint frad a usin them

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Tim,
Correct me if I'm wrong, It looks like you turned the studs down to ~2.75". For future reference, you could have used miata studs which are 2.75" length and not had to ream the holes, turn the studs, or get them re-plated.

Also I'm wondering if you've heard much about switching to the FWD 323 knuckles and S13 adjustable outer tie rod ends to help eliminate bumpsteer. FWD 323 knuckles also have a shorter steering arm so that yields a faster reacting steering. Another plus is the "Antlers" don't stick so far out. I haven't seen the knuckles yet so, for me it's all heresay at this point.

Another thing I was wondering is if after putting all this time into it and changing wheels anyway did you ever think of switching to BG chassis 5 lug setup like the GTR has. Supposedly its way stronger, the Grp A cars ran them iirc. Personally, I think it'd be waay too hard to find parts for if it did break and probably not worth the money. But I was just wondering if any of these options ever crossed your mind.

Are you building the car for rally america? what class?

Michael LeCompte

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Michael LeCompte

pikespeakgtx Wrote:
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> Tim,
> Correct me if I'm wrong, It looks like you turned
> the studs down to ~2.75". For future reference,
> you could have used miata studs which are 2.75"
> length and not had to ream the holes, turn the
> studs, or get them re-plated.

At the time I bought them I wasn't sure what length I would need (no lug nuts in hand/rims on a boat from England) so I just got long ones. I have a little over an hour in machining and no plating cost because I threw them in with a customer parts.


>
> Also I'm wondering if you've heard much about
> switching to the FWD 323 knuckles and S13
> adjustable outer tie rod ends to help eliminate
> bumpsteer. FWD 323 knuckles also have a shorter
> steering arm so that yields a faster reacting
> steering. Another plus is the "Antlers" don't
> stick so far out. I haven't seen the knuckles yet
> so, for me it's all heresay at this point.

I believe John used FWD Protoge knuckles on the front of Derek's car so it's certainly possible. I'm just going to put a 1.5 to 1 steering quickiner in the column of my new shell.


>
> Another thing I was wondering is if after putting
> all this time into it and changing wheels anyway
> did you ever think of switching to BG chassis 5
> lug setup like the GTR has. Supposedly its way
> stronger, the Grp A cars ran them iirc.
> Personally, I think it'd be waay too hard to find
> parts for if it did break and probably not worth
> the money. But I was just wondering if any of
> these options ever crossed your mind.

Here are most of the extra ones left in the wild. This guy bought up all of the left over Mazda Rally Team Europe parts. Some of the yahoo list guys tried to buy parts from him but I never heard of anyone being successful. Now the exchange rate really kills it.






>
> Are you building the car for rally america? what
> class?
>
> Michael LeCompte

The new shell is getting a NASA logbook so that makes it Open 4wd

Tim

I saw something on a different forum where the factory had an upgrade kit with RX-7 (5 lug) brakes and possibly hubs. (Rear hubs all around?)



Some people get all horny over having 5 lugs versus four. I don't see the difference, four lugs hold the wheels on just fine.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2008 07:43AM by Pete.

Tim have you experienced the GTX wheel bearing failures that have plagued every one of them that I've been aware of?

If so; how have you addressed this?

Your brakes look very nice.

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JohnLane

Overkill is consistently more fun

JohnLane Wrote:
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> Tim have you experienced the GTX wheel bearing
> failures that have plagued every one of them that
> I've been aware of?
>
> If so; how have you addressed this?
>
> Your brakes look very nice.
>
> JohnLane
>
> Overkill is consistently more fun


I haven't killed any yet but I plan to. My setup has almost stock wheel offset so no extra leverage on the bearings with big wheel spacers. Other than that it's just good Timken bearings and keeping a full extra set of spare knuckles in the truck.

Tim

Tim Taylor Wrote:
> I couldn't resist engraving the
> brand name of "Spacely Space Sprockets". I'm sure
> at least Anders will get the reference.

My first thought WAS Jetsons but I'll admit I googled it to be sure.

Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

If you have it setup again, I'd like to, since I am retarted and can't see how this avoids the wider bottom on the stud - last time I had to do something like this I ended up threading a long nut on it and grabbing that in the chuck.


Tim Taylor Wrote:
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> I held them in a 5C collet. I can take a picture
> of the setup if you like.
>
> Tim
>
>

Also I'm wondering if you've heard much about
> switching to the FWD 323 knuckles and S13
> adjustable outer tie rod ends to help eliminate
> bumpsteer. FWD 323 knuckles also have a shorter
> steering arm so that yields a faster reacting
> steering. Another plus is the "Antlers" don't
> stick so far out. I haven't seen the knuckles yet
> so, for me it's all heresay at this point.

"I believe John used FWD Protoge knuckles on the front of Derek's car so it's certainly possible. I'm just going to put a 1.5 to 1 steering quickiner in the column of my new shell."

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Thanks for the input.
Are you talkin bout Derek from Cork Sport? or someone else from this board?

For some reason, Derek Bottle's name came to mind. So googled it. And while it has nothing to do with this discussion, Up popped a great photo album that has rally cars in action from members of this board! I thought I'd pass it along...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimculp/

Some of my rally hero's are in there...Dave Clark, John Lane, several GTX's. Ferrari's and Tons of other historic race cars. It was so fun to flip through all of them.

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Michael LeCompte

pikespeakgtx Wrote:
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> Thanks for the input.
> Are you talkin bout Derek from Cork Sport? or
> someone else from this board?
>

John V. did his brake upgrade on Derek Bottles GTX. Derek at Corksport has some sort of weird 5 lug knuckles on the front of his car and the last time I talked to him he was trying to adapt Nissan 4-piston calipers to them. He's probably got something stranger than that on his car by now as he is known to pluck obscure parts off the Yahoo Japan auctions.

It's really not that hard to modify the stock knuckles. John did it with a hacksaw, sander, and a manual mill (in that order).

--multiple edits for my inability to type or spell tonight.




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2008 12:42AM by Tim Taylor.

Those GTX wheelbearings were one of the big reasons I went to a first gen protege to rally in. The bearings on those cars, or the next-gen 323 GTR's if you can find them, are much, much more serious. Big ol' donut the size of a fist.

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Jay Woodward
Snohomish, WA
'90 Mazdog Frankenprotege
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