T5 identification chart

How is building a truck cheaper than building a Volvo 240? They both need cages.. which will cost you roughly the same. Sure you need to do some mods to the volvo.. but nothing crazy.. the T5 swap is like falling off a log and you don't need to do that right away. The suspension solutions are already out there.

And there's no way I'll accept that any production truck is better suited to rally than a 240. I've driven trucks since I could drive and maybe you could make them behave better with lighter springs.. but generally speaking they handle like pigs..

And Lee, you don't have to be good at all to notice the difference between a noodley body on frame to a decent unibody. That being said I haven't driven a truck with a cage.. which should stiffen them A LOT. In fact, you could lighten the frame considerably to the point where you could design a whole new frame.. but wait, you're now into massive amounts of fabrication/modification.

That being said Mark has a good point with the better being the enemy of good enough.

I honestly think that if Volvo didn't have such a shitty image over here there'd be 10x as many racing.. but then they might not be so cheap.

Edit: I can't believe I didn't say my favourite saying.. a Volvo 240 or earlier is a unibody truck with coil springs in the rear. Honestly, other than that, whats the fucking difference (okay 240s have struts).

You can choose if that's arguing one way or the other haha

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2008 08:15PM by hudson.

hudson Wrote:
That being said I
> haven't driven a truck with a cage.. which should
> stiffen them A LOT. In fact, you could lighten
> the frame considerably to the point where you
> could design a whole new frame.. but wait, you're
> now into massive amounts of
> fabrication/modification.

I keep having visions of building a Group B style tube framed car around something boring and common like a Ranger or S10 cab.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

I've got three Volvo bellhousings laying around here if you need them..

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Stroker 2.5 redblock, JE forged blower pistons 8.2:1, Eagle H beams with DSM big end, Avalanche underdrive pulley, 46/40mm valve 530 with Enem C2 turbo cam, Isky db springs, SDS efi w/DIS/wasted spark, PCS digital touch screen dash/logger, 60lb Deka IV's, ATP 60-1 @ 22psi, Tial bov, Walbro 255, Avalanche T-5 adapter, 02 Tremec 5sp, 6puck, 3" driveshaft, modded G80, Painless chassis harness. Corbeau seats.. 300+whp Driven daily..

TerribleOne Wrote:
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> I've got three Volvo bellhousings laying around
> here if you need them..

I'll pay the UPS out and if you go this way you get credit when you need one, get them coming!!!!!!
Muchismo wet kisses!!!!!
>
> '89 244tic, SDS EFI, waste spark, 2.5 stroker,
> Eagle rods, 8.2:1 JE slugs, K cam, T-3/T-4
> (.93/.60) 4.25"v-band, 12x24x4" I/C..

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Swedish pickup truck:


Swedish Camaro:

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Monika Hawkinson
Seattle, WA

I picked up a 202 motorsport spec T5 witht he 2.95 first and 330 torque rating on ebay last night for $500. The trick to finding them on ebay and not seeing all the ones that have the crap first gear and lower ratings is to search for T5 2.95 and T-5 2.95 and check the box that allows you to search titles and descriptions. They seem to mostly be going for $700-900, but perseverance and you can find less expensive ones. Especially if they have some title that doesn't show up under more basic search methods.
Also, there is a synchro G-force box with the 2.95 first on their right now ending tonight. It's the gearbox rated for 600 hp. If looks fairly new, but there are aspects of the auction that will keep it from getting much money. Only 1 feedback rating on the seller and vagueness on the previous use of tranny. It's sitting around $600 right now anyhow.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330224614234&rd=1

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Grant Hughes

What do you suggest for the pilot bearing John?
I was thinking about getting a v8 one to compare with the stock for outer diameter and seeing if I could locate a bearing that would have the V8 inner diameter and the Merkur outer. Or just get the dimensions and have Mark make me a aluminum bushing to use instead.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> What do you suggest for the pilot bearing John?
> I was thinking about getting a v8 one to compare
> with the stock for outer diameter and seeing if I
> could locate a bearing that would have the V8
> inner diameter and the Merkur outer. Or just get
> the dimensions and have Mark make me a aluminum
> bushing to use instead.

No, just pull the inputshaft out, turn the pilot to the dimessions of what the Xratty snout is, it's easier.
The crank is set for the needle so leave that alone, turn the pilot.

>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Had some time today and did some searching. Check out what I found!!!

5.0 T-5 To 2.3 Pilot Bushing AVAILABLE NOW!!! $7.95

from:
http://www.motion-dynamics.net/products/2point3/default.html

Calling them Monday morning. Hope to have the T5 in by next weekend.

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Grant Hughes

Thats a good price! I think rapido sells one for 20 + dollars.
When I was looking for a solution to my T5 I couldnt find anything for a reasonable price. No way will I pay 20 + bucks for a bushing that costs 2 dollars! When I asked a random machine shop about turning the shaft down they didnt want anything to do with it. Of course I didnt spent a lot of time looking for someone that could. I took the cheap way out and went to maguire bearing and bought two oil light bushings around the correct size. All for the huge sum of like four dollars. Took it home and used the drill press to machine it down to the correct size.

The Rapido one is just an aluminum bushing.

Many new cars don't even have pilot bushings.
When I get the one above, I plan to find a replacement source locally. There's a huge bearing supply nearby that probably has something close.

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Grant Hughes

beebe Wrote:
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> Thats a good price! I think rapido sells one for
> 20 + dollars.

Well there ya go, that's the standard 300+per cent mark up the Mr Seatbelt lays on to stuff.


> When I was looking for a solution to my T5 I
> couldnt find anything for a reasonable price. No
> way will I pay 20 + bucks for a bushing that costs
> 2 dollars! When I asked a random machine shop
> about turning the shaft down they didnt want
> anything to do with it. Of course I didnt spent a
> lot of time looking for someone that could. I took
> the cheap way out and went to maguire bearing and
> bought two oil light bushings around the correct
> size. All for the huge sum of like four dollars.
> Took it home and used the drill press to machine
> it down to the correct size.

Smarty!

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

>
> Many new cars don't even have pilot bushings.

Many *front wheel drive* cars don't have pilot bushings.

That's because the input shaft on a front wheel drive is quite long, having the entire gear train (well, one half) on it and supported by several bearings.

On a traditional RWD transmission where one gear is a pass through, the input shaft is basically supported by *one* bearing. The pilot bushing stabilizes the other end of the input shaft.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Pete Wrote:
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> Many *front wheel drive* cars don't have pilot
> bushings.

As do many AWD cars.

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Grant Hughes

And the AWD cars for the same reason... there isn't a pass-through "gear", their input shafts are long and well supported internally.

As a rule of thumb if it doesn't have a 1:1 gear then it probably doesn't have or need a pilot bearing.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.