Golf II, III braking options

BRAKES:
Is there any reason to go with an aftermarket caliper or aluminum hats for these cars other than weight savings?

I ran an 11" (280mm) Girling G60 with an adapter setup on a rabbit at one point on the street and I was more than happy with the results....never faded despite some good abuse, hell I never even think I changed the pads after 60K plus miles

Any reason why we can't run a 10.1" (256mm) setup with good pads on a more piggy car? I ran the 10.1" setup on the blue bunny with a set of porterfields with much success.

Obviously the cost effective route would be the 11" setup, but I'd like to keep running 14" wheel since we have a ton of tires and about 25 semi-strong wheels...

Keep in mind rotors are basically free for us if they are factory, and I already have two sets of factory calipers for the 10.1"/11" setup.

your thoughts please.

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I had a MK III 8v 2.0 with the 10.1 brakes. Only time I ever had issues was running the 13 mile tarmac stage at Rally Tennessee. Didn't have brake fade, but did have smoking/burning brakes at the end of the run.

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A long time ago when I was running the wee 9.4 inch mk2 brakes on the rally GTI, I longed for aftermarket multi-piston calipers. I was interrested in the increased stiffness, more even clamping force, and better modulation I imagined they would provide. The 9.4 inch calipers were pretty flimsy and flexy and I was actually getting funny pad wear and a softish brake pedal because of it. Since then I upgraded to the 10.1 setup which is a much beefier setup all around and haven't had any problems with them. The only thing better than 10.1s with Poterfield pads would be 11s with Poterfield pads, but like you, I want to be able to run 14" tires so......

I do hate the single piston sliders.....my crew would love me for the pad swap/cotter pin action....calipers are fairly cheap (wilwood dynalite), around $125 a piece or so depending on where. Found a set of adapters for $190 retail, wonder how hard it would be to make a set of adapters for 10.1" AND 11" factory rotors??

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Tom B Wrote:
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> I do hate the single piston sliders.....my crew
> would love me for the pad swap/cotter pin
> action....calipers are fairly cheap (wilwood
> dynalite), around $125 a piece or so depending on
> where. Found a set of adapters for $190 retail,
> wonder how hard it would be to make a set of
> adapters for 10.1" AND 11" factory rotors??

Dooooooooooood, I have some Dynalite equivalents lying on the floor here, bring a rotor, and I have the knuckle, let's SEE!
Kevins adaptors cost like 6 bucks.
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Tom B Wrote:
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> I do hate the single piston sliders.....my crew
> would love me for the pad swap/cotter pin
> action....calipers are fairly cheap (wilwood
> dynalite), around $125 a piece or so depending on
> where. Found a set of adapters for $190 retail,
> wonder how hard it would be to make a set of
> adapters for 10.1" AND 11" factory rotors??

I hate the single piston BS too... but quick check. How long were the brake pads lasting you?

I could go through a set in a weekend road racing, but for rally they seem to last 1-2 seasons. Is this pretty normal?

I've definitely give up some pad life in exchange for a wider temperature range.

the porterfields we have on the car were doing OK, we would've needed a new set pretty soon, so we got a couple seasons out of them

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I think the Wimpey brothers run the 10.1" brakes off a MkIII on their MkII GTI. They set some blazing fast times with that setup.

Tom I got 4 "Teardrop" wheels with mounted michy's that I'd love to kick your way, or we can unmount the tires and I can vortex off the wheels hehe. I am all setup with 15" 5x100 stuff so no reason to hang onto the 14".

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Who has a few 13" alloys like beat/whupped quality?

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got some 13" steels but no alloys...

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I got a bit of fade with the Corrado 11" stuff and Porterfield R4's but it was not too bad - however I am not a big left foot braker and thus am fairly light on the brakes.

The willwood kits sold are not as large as a pad as the stock Corrado stuff so they are likely to have more pad wear.

I would expect you would be fine more than 90% of the time on the 10.1" crap.

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derek Wrote:
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> I got a bit of fade with the Corrado 11" stuff and
> Porterfield R4's but it was not too bad - however
> I am not a big left foot braker and thus am fairly
> light on the brakes.

I don't know Derek, you look pretty big and your feet are deffo big.
I don't see why you say you're not a big left foot braker.
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> The willwood kits sold are not as large as a pad
> as the stock Corrado stuff so they are likely to
> have more pad wear.

Yeah well that "those" kits,
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> I would expect you would be fine more than 90% of
> the time on the 10.1" crap.
>

My 2000 lb Saab has 267mm neener neener!
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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Who has a few 13" alloys like beat/whupped
> quality?


So actually I found two 13" 4x100 alloys in my pile of scheisse. Want them? I can bring them over with the suspension. They even have some super sweet like 175/70-13 bald ass tires on em

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cblakely Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> > Who has a few 13" alloys like beat/whupped
> > quality?
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> So actually I found two 13" 4x100 alloys in my
> pile of scheisse. Want them? I can bring them over
> with the suspension. They even have some super
> sweet like 175/70-13 bald ass tires on em

DOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOD, try to get here toute suite like Friday-Saturday, I's a'going to China on the 12th and I's a gwonna be gone a month so now or later, and now's better!.
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