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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 18, 2012 06:31PM
Think we scared him off?
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 18, 2012 07:04PM
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Think we scared him off?

Who can say. Seems he doesn't want to answer direct questions..

I'll never understand the fixation on one bodyshell and then desire to totally re-do it to something it never was.... Funny thing is he could just show up with a checkbook today and leve with every single thing needed to convert a Focus to N/S YB Cosworth powered AWD car.
Every single part including the entire floor.

YB is better than 4G62 in terms of materials and strength, no need to buy aftermarket rods and forged pistons and a steel flywheel, they're already in it; management is simple to hook up...established step by step upgrade paths for 270, 330, 380, 400 bhp..
Cut some sheetmetal, zap some in, drop in the powerplant.
Couldn't be easier.

Just costs money..

And it's all sitting here.

And no answers..



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 18, 2012 07:14PM
Actually, on the topic... I know the YB has potential, but all the shit from it has to come from overseas, which seems like kind of a hassle. For, say, a RWD thingie, does it make more sense than a turboed Duratec thingie still, with money being an object? I know the suckers work well, but it ain't like engine development stopped, and they are iron block and all...

Personally would like a Cossie AWD car for a daily driver, but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as cheap as the Suburat thing I have. Fundamentally, how much of the shit just bolts into the Merkur shell?
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 18, 2012 10:31PM
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Actually, on the topic... I know the YB has potential, but all the shit from it has to come from overseas, which seems like kind of a hassle.

No it doesn't, it has to come from right over there <---------- about 35 feet away, couldn't be easier. Even a choice of 3 different build specs.

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For, say, a RWD thingie, does it make more sense than a turboed Duratec thingie still, with money being an object? I know the suckers work well, but it ain't like engine development stopped, and they are iron block and all...

personally I reccomend YB for the same reason we're all showing such extreme tenderness and patience with this guy: most people cannot make their own bellhousings, engine mounts, alternator mounts , intake and exhaust manifolds, intake and intercooler plumbing, radiator mods, then loom, ECU and run in. And that's after we assume they managed to replace pistons, rods, crankshaft and flywheel.
With the 3 YBs here, you pop the valve open on the engine hoist and BANG it falls on the motor mounts.. Bite the insulation off 4 wires and twist them together, insulate with a wad o checwing gum and it is intergrated into the car.

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Personally would like a Cossie AWD car for a daily driver, but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as cheap as the Suburat thing I have. Fundamentally, how much of the shit just bolts into the Merkur shell?

Everything... depending on what year shell you need a vestigal bump for the chain case in the 4x4 part of the gearbox. And US shells have a different with of the trans tunnel, fortunately somebody make a 1.15 lb imitation of Fords crossmember.

There are even dimples in the inner fender sheetmetal where you drill thru to mount Cossie specific components, say the airbox.

It is specifically the Xratties huge versatility an overall low cost that is my attraction to the car. Nothing wrong with it as a Group 2 car, makes a ridiculously easy and fun Gp5 car with the Lima, even more funner-er with YB (and 90lbs lighter), potentially as much fun with 2.3 Duratec (another 90lbs lighter)(with the above work done), and if you re-engined the thing to YB and 2wd wasn't enough fun---then you 4x4 it.
Excellent n.a. rwd, turbo rwd, or awd.

No other car can cover that range (sorry a n.a. fwd Sububitchi or Misterburu ain't my idea of fun---or competitive)


Ask Andrew Steere. I managed to put my whole stinking 4x4 thing together while, very politely said, I was essentially blinded with pain and delerious most of the time (this was right when the two smashed discs in my spine manifested themselves as 24H of shooting burning pain.
(I share shop space with "Offica Austin" of the Woburn Police Department and he said in best local accent one snowy story night about 10:45 after I welded a muffler on his plow truck "Fuckin A John you be careful going home, and watch out for the fuckin cops...some of those fuckers pull you over looking like you look, they ain't gonna fuckin breathalyze you, no fuckin way, they just fuckin shoot you in the fuckin neck and kick the body in the FAWKIN dirtch!!! (har har har)" <------virtual verbatim dialog true dat.

Yet I managed to put it together on with just reptilian semi-autonomic functioning. that easy
Ask Andrew, he saw it.



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 12:04AM
I am serious about the turbine electric car, hell Volvo and Jag both played with the idea within the last 5 years and the guy who founded Compaq also messed around with it about 15 or 20 years ago.

Think about that turbine = small and extremely good power to weight. They are not that complicated of motors, few parts and extremely reliable. They do not have good throttle response however and gearing is very hard to a typical car drive train so have it drive a alternator.

You can run them on all kinds of bio fuels or just diesel, no need for exotic race gas trying to keep 13:1 pistons from blowing up. The turbine also does not need any radiator system, so no water plumbing to deal with, no big radiator to find a home for, no intercooler plumbing to route, simple simple simple.

Electric motors, solve the drive line and gear box issues, give wonderful power curves and with fairly simple software can do things all the magical active diffs of now banded WRC cars wished they could do. They are also small and easy to package into an existing car body.

This is way to costly for production using new bits but looking around for used bits it might be possible for not that much $.

Here is a good tip to get started:

The T-62T-32 turbine engine was originally designed by Solar for use in an Army single seat helicopter. The project was scrapped after the engines were already in production, so the engines were installed instead in portable electric generator sets. These generator sets are still in use by the military today and routinely become available as surplus, usually for about $3,500. This is a very good price to pay for an $88,000 jet turbine engine! The engines can be inexpensively rebuilt to brand new condition and will run for thousands of hours with limited maintenance.

So stop bitching about not getting good ideas.

Here is another turbine, 317Hp@35k rpm in something that is less than 150Lbs and will fit in a 20"x24" box... http://avonaero.com/allison.htm Some of these are being sold with the alternator already attached.

Think about it.



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 12:51AM
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 10:28AM
The wonderful Tempo/Topaz duo came with an east/west AWD setup grinning smiley , guy could swap out a powertrain from a Mazda 6 with a hint of legitimacy. Ford Escape transplant?

I've seen JVs car..it exists and wouldn't take much to put back together. It shouldn't be setting in the yard all lonely and forlorn.
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 11:01AM
Actually...

Wouldn't the Volvo S40 AWD be a prime choice?

The cars share windshield washer motors, so there must be other similarities. They are the supposedly the "same platform" and the T5 is in the Focus RS and ST thingy's we don't get here...

Just the damn Haldex rear end problems you have to deal with... but it would make a fine machine.

edited for hilarity, I originally said wiper motors, but I meant washer motors...



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 11:40AM
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Excellent n.a. rwd, turbo rwd, or awd.
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The audi will cover that range, just not the excellent part.
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 12:14PM
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Ask Andrew Steere. I managed to put my whole stinking 4x4 thing together while, very politely said, I was essentially blinded with pain and delerious most of the time (this was right when the two smashed discs in my spine manifested themselves as 24H of shooting burning pain.
(I share shop space with "Offica Austin" of the Woburn Police Department and he said in best local accent one snowy story night about 10:45 after I welded a muffler on his plow truck "Fuckin A John you be careful going home, and watch out for the fuckin cops...some of those fuckers pull you over looking like you look, they ain't gonna fuckin breathalyze you, no fuckin way, they just fuckin shoot you in the fuckin neck and kick the body in the FAWKIN dirtch!!! (har har har)" <------virtual verbatim dialog true dat.

Yet I managed to put it together on with just reptilian semi-autonomic functioning. that easy
Ask Andrew, he saw it.

Yep. Drove it, too. Cool cool car, and that was when it was just rigged together and parked at my parents' house for a while.

John, you really need to put that car together in some form and run it, if for no other reason than to piss people off. I've been debating showing up at a rallycross with the Merkurian Falcon for just that purpose.

Work out some trades with Sean and/or others who can knock out the detail stuff you hate in no time at all.

Back to the original Fraud Frackus project. We can stop a lot of the ideas right now since if you live in an area that has "emissions testing" you aren't going to be able to get an inspection/emissions sticker on anything that doesn't have an (apparently properly functioning) OBD2 port.



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 02:39PM
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Ask Andrew Steere. I managed to put my whole stinking 4x4 thing together while, very politely said, I was essentially blinded with pain and delerious most of the time (this was right when the two smashed discs in my spine manifested themselves as 24H of shooting burning pain.
(I share shop space with "Offica Austin" of the Woburn Police Department and he said in best local accent one snowy story night about 10:45 after I welded a muffler on his plow truck "Fuckin A John you be careful going home, and watch out for the fuckin cops...some of those fuckers pull you over looking like you look, they ain't gonna fuckin breathalyze you, no fuckin way, they just fuckin shoot you in the fuckin neck and kick the body in the FAWKIN dirtch!!! (har har har)" <------virtual verbatim dialog true dat.

Yet I managed to put it together on with just reptilian semi-autonomic functioning. that easy
Ask Andrew, he saw it.

Yep. Drove it, too. Cool cool car, and that was when it was just rigged together and parked at my parents' house for a while.

John, you really need to put that car together in some form and run it, if for no other reason than to piss people off. I've been debating showing up at a rallycross with the Merkurian Falcon for just that purpose.

Work out some trades with Sean and/or others who can knock out the detail stuff you hate in no time at all.

Back to the original Fraud Frackus project. We can stop a lot of the ideas right now since if you live in an area that has "emissions testing" you aren't going to be able to get an inspection/emissions sticker on anything that doesn't have an (apparently properly functioning) OBD2 port.

Well it's only Emission testing 25 years back, another reason simply YB 4x4ing an Xratty is a bwilliyant ideer. No checking nuthin.hot smiley
But the boy got the Fucus for free eye rolling smileyand it has to be a Focus, so...eye rolling smiley

And yes I have been hoping, and begging some help, several have said "Oh yeah man I'll come over and help" and I've made what I thought were explicit deals-for-help, and nothing... Everybody has things jump up, wander off into super bling land, disappear, and of course their stuff is always first.
It's very disappointing.confused smiley



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 03:22PM
Hmmm... in Wisconsin they'll give you hobbyist plates for stuff (pretty much anything) 20 years old or older, just it has to pass emissions tests if you reg it in some counties. Said test involves plugging into OBD2 scanner - they got rid of the sniffer stations. Pre-98 or sumthin', automatic pass.

Whatsit cost to import an EsCo shell and shit?
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 05:22PM
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Whatsit cost to import an EsCo shell and shit?

LHD shell: a shit load for the shell, maybe 1200 to newark NJ, plus extra if its a roller (like the ex-works Sapphire I brought over in 2000)

Why Escort Cos? Bitchin' ass street car?



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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 05:55PM
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Whatsit cost to import an EsCo shell and shit?

LHD shell: a shit load for the shell, maybe 1200 to newark NJ, plus extra if its a roller (like the ex-works Sapphire I brought over in 2000)

Why Escort Cos? Bitchin' ass street car?

I just sorta figured this thread has kinda turned into BSing or pie in the sky crap, so why not think out loud and ask a few questions? Was just looking at stuff, and didn't realize the requirement was only 20 years locally... regs don't say shit about federal emissions legality or other stuff as far as I can tell for hobbyist plates, and anecdotally they'll give out those plates to about anything. No mention of having to be LHD either. And ya gotta admit it would make a bitchin' street car, even if I would have to learn to shift funnyhanded. Never tried to ship anything big from across the pond so got curious.

In the real world, ain't got the budget for it or much of anything at the moment... and call me weird, but I kinda like the look of the Sierra/Xratty more anyway.

Bothersome thing with this thread to me is that it reminds me of an idea I was tinkering with (and probably won't ever buy thing one, much less get to cutting metal) that's sorta similar in theory in some aspects. I mean after the engine gets bolted to the transaxle the rest is straightforwards, but that may be because I just figured on cutting away any part of the sheetmetal that's not required by RA.
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Re: My first project! I need help!!
July 19, 2012 08:18PM
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I just sorta figured this thread has kinda turned into BSing or pie in the sky crap,

Pretty sure it started out that way....smoking smiley
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