ryolse Ryan Sealey Senior Moderator Location: Golden, CO Join Date: 07/13/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 70 Rally Car: '97 Subaru Impreza |
With my Co-Driver working for a low paying government building, I think I probably make more than him... Plus he's too busy paying for broken vehicles and saving for a house. Plus he's stuck getting thrown around in the car all day, so it's really only me who's enjoying it.
After years of beating the crap out of the car I’m confident the car/engine is reliable with the only issues having been typical sensors on a 230k mileage car. I think I'm going to buy a 4.44 transmission (and rear) in the next month as long as it doesn’t get bought by someone else first. And the reason I want the 4.44 is because I'm not enjoying bouncing off the Rev limiter at Hill Climbs only to then shift and find myself bogged down in the useless 2,500-3,000 RPM range. After that I’ll get ahead of the game try to put away $3k for Idaho next year. Followed by swapping to a Mid 2000s 2.5L NA motor. I really wanted to do Idaho this year but as time came closer and closer I didn’t have enough saved in time. R.Sealey http://www.facebook.com/SealeySport http://www.youtube.com/ryolse Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2013 02:06PM by ryolse. |
MeCalledEvan Evan Horner Ultra Moderator Location: Columbus OH Join Date: 01/03/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 109 Rally Car: 1983 Mazda RX7 GSL |
Holy hell, that in take home earnings is considered low? And I thought I was doing well as a recent undergrad making in that range before getting bent over by the IRS. Woah boy! Looks like I'm gonna have to spend a few more years out of college before I do anything from the drivers seat on stage. I like the co-driving idea though... I'll start looking more into that for the time being as I nibble away at my elephant. "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know and have so much more to learn." - Claude Rouelle, Optimum G lecture June, 2011 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
re-engine. Plop it in when its all done and tuned on the bench.. Car down for 2 days. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
MConte05 Matthew Conte Elite Moderator Location: St. Louis, MO Join Date: 06/27/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 257 Rally Car: 1991 Subaru Legacy Turbozzzzzz |
Herein is a problem. You complain about not having enough to get on stage, but you want to go and drop an entire events worth of money on a transmission because you THINK you'll need it? My first 4 events I was on a turbo 3.7. It sucked, but I was in the seat racing, but it didn't for ONE second take away from my enjoyment. Still had an ear-to-ear grin. I then switched to a 4.11 I got for free from a friend for helping part out his car. Did it help with the stage times? Tremendously. Could I use a 4.44? Defintily. I'd love to get a 4.44. But right now, I'd rather do another event or two. I think this has been beaten to death over and over, but you DON'T need $2-3k suspension to go race, you DON'T need a $1k transmission to go race, you DON'T need a built and tuned engine to go race. 90% chance you'll be slow as hell the first few times out. There are very very very few people who spend a ton of money on their build and are fast out of the gate. You will be outdriven by the guy who has had 3 events under his belt on a stock engine and nearly stock suspension, just because he has 3 more events than you. Experience is what will bring speed. And from what I see, about 90% of the first timers absolutely do not need a built up car with how slow they are going. Upgrade as you upgrade your driving skills. I wish more people could see that. |
ryolse Ryan Sealey Senior Moderator Location: Golden, CO Join Date: 07/13/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 70 Rally Car: '97 Subaru Impreza |
I actually screwed my yearly income. Originally I was going to do the math to see what it is as take home, but hit send with what it is before taxes and 401k without fixing it.
And just to throw my expenses out in the spot light more. Here's what every expense this last month breaks out to being, each was rounded up to the nearest dollar. Food (which also bleeds over to "entertainment" if you consider it as being part of taking the lady out to dinner once a weekend) $302 Entertainment $301 Living (rent and car insurance) $754 Fuel for my daily driven (and paid off car) $80 Credit Card debt payment $71 And lastly Car (mostly the "race" car) $1,666 This was an unusual month for the car expenses because of this weekend’s hill climb, where I bought a few tools for making some stuff easier to work on. 1 set of Rocket Rally Tires (picked up so there was no shipping), my D.D. car needed a couple new Power Steering parts. Plus towing fuel, hotel, food for 2, and the entry fee for the hill climb it's self. It also includes fuel for last months RallyCross and entry fee. It was also an unusual month for “Entertainment†expenses because my Girl Friend and I went to 2 Baseball games plus a bar 2 different nights, which we never do. And for the record, it was a $1k transmission when it went for sale in April and is now at $650 locally. R.Sealey http://www.facebook.com/SealeySport http://www.youtube.com/ryolse Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2013 02:57PM by ryolse. |
DaveK Dave Kern Senior Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
This is 100% true for rally, but not so much for hillclimb. Having just completed my first gravel rally, I'm sold on the fact that power isn't really needed. The 328 motor in the coupe was just fine, it was me and trust in the notes that was the limiting factor. However, looking at hillclimbs (and what Ryan is doing for most of his seat time because they're cheap and close), I find that the M3 motor in my Compact doesn't have enough oomph to scare me. I feel for the guy since he has less HP and more drivetrain losses. Don't forget Ryan that when you go to a rally event that's at sea level, you're going to pickup 15% more power so that will help with the lack of fancypants transmission. Therein lies the issue...to build for rally or hillclimb? Dave |
ryolse Ryan Sealey Senior Moderator Location: Golden, CO Join Date: 07/13/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 70 Rally Car: '97 Subaru Impreza |
Thanks for the added input help Dave.
My end goal is to build for seat time in the car, regardless what kind of event it is. That doesn’t include the last month of driving the damn thing around while the "Daily Driven" car is out of commission. Sure, you can build/buy a car for every type of event instead of just 1. But then you are building/buying a car for every type of event. And while I was thinking of building a Turbo Motor for Hill Climbs and RX, I went back to my original motor swap plan of NA. Which is mainly for the 1 Stage Rally event I might get to go to a year. Which is simple proof that I'm not a "power hungry" maniac n00b thinking power is the only thing needed for Rally, because I will still get my butt kicked during the 4-5 Hill Climbs and 12 RX events a year to those with tons more power. The only thing that's different with the car between RX mode and Hill Climb mode is spending an hour between the 2 to swap the coilovers with struts to make it useable for RX and comfortable Hill Climbs. And I don’t mean comfort for the occupants, but the occupants not being terrified of it bouncing or swaying off the road because it’s too loose. R.Sealey http://www.facebook.com/SealeySport http://www.youtube.com/ryolse Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2013 03:23PM by ryolse. |
HiTempguy Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
My 2 cents:
Most don't have the wherewithal/planning capabilities/long term goal setting to build a car, myself included. This is an issue because if you are building a car on a budget, it is UNLIKELY you will have that budget set aside from the get go with the money in hand. So you plunk down $500 at a time. A year goes by, and you've lost interest. Also, costs go up astronomically when you run into a situation (and have budgeted) that you ARE able to do something and end up not being able to do it. Also also, project creep is MUCH easier when you are given the option to do stuff. And finally, hitting the stages in a car (as long as it finishes) and getting seat time is much more valuable than the time spent building a car, which can reach into the thousands of hours amounts of time. Even with an already built car, if you want it to be able to finish a rally, there is some serious prep-work that needs to be put in after buying one (unless you just dropped $30+k, but even then). |
tdrrally edward mucklow Super Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
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DaveK Dave Kern Senior Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Some great points in here. I've had a few people bug me about costs of building a car and I've been suggesting that they sit down and put together a budget for the car build. Most think that's a waste of time...my suspicion is that those are the guys that won't be rallying anymore in 2 or 3 years once they've blown up the budget and maxed out the credit cards. I did a ton of research and online browsing before digging into my Compact build. Got it out to a hillclimb a bit over budget, but mainly due to the blown motor. Then I started doing stupid stuff like the CM3C body kit instead of getting out to an actual rally. Add in a second blown motor and now its going to be a Group 5 car... ...do as I say, not as I do. LOL
Wait....my navvie has used this reasoning in regards to shoe purchases before...it was on sale, I HAD to buy it! Dave p.s. at least I finally made it back out to a rally this year! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2013 05:17PM by DaveK. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Junior Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
What's often stated now is, "But if you're going to tow that far and spend all that money don't you want to make sure that you finish and make sure that you can WIN!" I got sucked into a mindset of, if I'm going to build something, I want to build something that can win and if I'm not winning it's because of me, not the car. Of course, this led to a five year build followed by one rally and a few hill climbs and test days then I wanted to do more rallying but the 25 year old wiring was scary and wanted to make sure if I was going to tow across the country I wanted the car reliable and voila, next thing you know the car has sat for four years. Then Dave moved into the shop and spread out and there's not any room to work anymore. My car could go together in a day or two of work once I get an engine together. I even have a complete unassembled long block of unknown quality that I could drop into it and try to make run. But at this point, I can't afford a head gasket (have two sitting on the shelf) or new head bolts (do we really have to replace those?) and blah blah blah excuses. Grant Hughes |
DaveK Dave Kern Senior Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Har har har...if that damn lake would dry up, we could push some stuff out. I think Mitch would yell at us if we got mud on his gravel tires.
Tell you what, instead of paying you in cash when you're done with the cage in Allison's car, I'll get you a head gasket and head bolts...and some cash. Dave |
tdrrally edward mucklow Super Moderator Location: charleston,wv Join Date: 05/31/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 763 Rally Car: ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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